Re: Not ANOTHER "stand your ground" incident...
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nysprod
I mean, damn, these are just kids...chances are that if he would have just minded his own business this whole thing never would of happened...
it wouldn't have happened either if the kids had turned down the muzik when they were asked. this way, they would still have enjoyed their entertainment, and nobody would have been bothered by any loud noises. what made you see the other option as being better than this one?
Re: Not ANOTHER "stand your ground" incident...
The only reason any defense lawyer would even take this case is this guy is loaded with cash - I kinda wish douche bags like this should have to represent themselves and truly be responsible for their own actions
Fuck Hate Crimes and bigotry
Re: Not ANOTHER "stand your ground" incident...
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Originally Posted by
bluesoul
it wouldn't have happened either if the kids had turned down the muzik when they were asked. this way, they would still have enjoyed their entertainment, and nobody would have been bothered by any loud noises. what made you see the other option as being better than this one?
Why the fuck should they?
I've been the guy telling them to turn the music down - I've also been the guy telling someone to fuck off for telling me to turn the music down.
I'm sure if the option was turn the music down or I'll murder you, it would be a different story but some busybody (like me) telling them to turn it down, fuck off..
Re: Not ANOTHER "stand your ground" incident...
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speck
I would like to point out that everyone jumping to conclusions here without knowing the facts...and lets be clear here, mainstream media often gets the facts incorrect, let alone a biased reporting source such as the one OP posted...is making a fairly large mistake.
Wait to pass judgement until more is known and less is in dispute. You'd expect the same for yourself, why not expect it here?
I agree. MSNBC good enough?
http://tv.msnbc.com/2012/11/28/black...ground-debate/
Robin Lemonidis of Melbourne said Tuesday night that someone in the red sport-utility vehicle that was next to her client’s car pulled a shotgun on him and that he fired in self defense. “He acted the way any responsible firearms owner would act in a similar situation because a shotgun was aimed at him,” she said.
Jacksonville police said no weapon was found in the car. “How hard did they look,” Lemonidis said. “Have they done an entire search?”
Lemonidis tried to explain her contention in an interview with WJXT-TV, telling them that “it certainly would not have been in the vehicle when they looked unless they had stopped it immediately, which I doubt they did.” In the absence of this supposed weapon, however, Dunn’s attorney explained why her client felt “threatened” by three kids blasting loud music:
“Uh, ‘Kill that mother (expletive),’ ‘That mother (expletive) is dead,’ ‘You dead (expletive),’” Lemonidis said Dunn heard from the teens. “And he sees that much of a shotgun coming up over the rim of the SUV, which is up higher than his Jetta, and all he sees are heavily tinted front windows that are up and the back windows that are down, and the car has at least four black men in it, and he doesn’t know how old anyone is, and he doesn’t know anything, but he knows a shotgun when he sees one because he got his first gun as a gift from his grandparents when he was in third grade.”
Re: Not ANOTHER "stand your ground" incident...
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Originally Posted by
speck
I would like to point out that everyone jumping to conclusions here without knowing the facts...and lets be clear here, mainstream media often gets the facts incorrect, let alone a biased reporting source such as the one OP posted...is making a fairly large mistake.
Wait to pass judgement until more is known and less is in dispute. You'd expect the same for yourself, why not expect it here?
Agreed. That's why I don't think cases like this should make national news; at least not before court proceedings. Syndication all over national television, the internet, and radio opens the case to interpretation by all sorts of people who like to add in their opinions and before long, the opinions start sounding more like hard facts.
I've been reading all sorts of claims about the case. One article said no firearms were found in the SUV or in the possession of the victims. Another article I read accused the four victims of being gang members and assumed Dunn was correct in his actions. It's really disheartening to see how all this media attention is defining the case before evidence has even been presented.
@Seanchai: Thanks for transcribing that. I was in the midst of doing it myself before I refreshed the page and saw your post.
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seanchai
Why the fuck should they?
to avoid a conflict and (possibly) not disturb others.
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Originally Posted by
seanchai
I've been the guy telling them to turn the music down - I've also been the guy telling someone to fuck off for telling me to turn the music down.
i've been there too, though i've often preferred to listen to muzik loudly on headphones.
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Can we all stop with this "our society is fucked" nonsense?
Anybody is capable of anything at any time. Despite that, most people act decently enough. Our society would be pretty screwed if closer to half of the population were shooting each other over complete bull shit like this, but that's not reality. Not to say most people are inherently kind; that isn't true, but just because you know you wouldn't personally do anything like this doesn't mean it's fair to assume that everyone else would. You're not the only sane and compassionate person in the world despite what news media would have you believe.