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So what do you Brits make of Trump ?
Have London books made odds on Donald Trump winning the Republican nomination?
I saw a poll today out of Iowa that has him tied with Dr. Ben Carson in the first January primary. It's pretty wild because those are the last two people anyone would have guessed were even running a few months ago.
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William Hill has him at 3-1 second favourite to Jeb Bush at 13-8 to win the nomination.
He's 5-1 to be the next president behind Bush at 4-1 and Clinton at 11/10.
The view here is that he's a complete asshat
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At this stage of the Presidential campaign it seems there is always a 'maverick' candidate who wins a lot of polls; Sarah Palin was the woman of the hour however many years and hours (and there were a lot of them) ago that was. I think the more Trump is exposed to cross-examination on policy the more his lack of experience in political office will get tangled up with his sound-bite politics. Because of the way that elections are 'packaged and sold' one may argue that sound-bites can make or break a campaign, but note that where Trump is against this, against that, opposed to them and opposed to that, Obama made the cunning decision to always be positive: Yes, we can is a simple message, but is positive and has no complications. It hits the spot. Change, hope, we are better than this -they appeal to voters who want something to vote for, rather than something -or someone- to vote against. The GOP lost its hold over California because of Proposition 187, and it did so by alienating Hispanic voters in a state where they are not just important, but consider themselves to be as important as every other American. Trump, by isolating people for comment in the manner that he has is taking a huge risk and it begs the question can elections be won on negative campaigning? He is a protest candidate like Bernie Sanders, but I don't think he will win the nomination -he may even drop out of the race in the next 6 months, so I don't think he will win the nomination.
If there is one interesting difference between Trump and the other current Republican candidates, it is his weakness on God and the Bible, for while he has made a point of claiming to be a Presbyterian, his grasp of the Bible doesn't seem secure and has generated some hilarious tweets a couple of which are below if you haven't seen them.
Some funny tweets:
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Jesus is huge. I know Jesus. He absolutely loves me! Classy dude. Really classy.
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Donald Trump,all he is a distraction,Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton will be the runner up for their party,,period,,,,,,,Whatever Donald is spewing,is someone that doesn't want to be recognized,,every word he says,does not affect me,really,We been told more than he has said,,,,,life goes on,,,,,
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Donald Trump and Alex Salmond, two gasbags with enough hot air between them to power the entire country let alone a single windfarm...
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/1...gal_challenge/
It remains the only fight in which I really wanted both sides to take a beating. Salmond may have won the battle this time but if Trump comes back to Scotland to wage war as US President, I'm emigrating...
I imagine his victory stance might look something like this...
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Stavros makes a valid point about Trump's shaky bible background but it might not be a liability at all. Americans like to talk about God but at the end of the day we don't really give a rat's ass about our religions.
The defining moment of John Kennedy's campaign versus Richard Nixon in 1960 came when JFK gave a speech at Rice University essentially renouncing his Catholicism and assuring the public he was a secular individual. Obama did much the same thing when he dissociated himself from his long time pastor who had made some dubious comments about America's responsibility for the 9/11 attacks.
For me personally, I'd be very leery of voting for a truly religious person for president
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It would be amusing if a country that gave rise to the greatest playwright ever and whose people tend to use language in a careful and understated way were in love with a crass vulgarian like Trump. I can't think of a bigger stylistic clash than Donald Trump and the British public.
I think the way one speaks and handles criticism can provide insights into how they would deal with crises and how diplomatic they will be.
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rodinuk
The view here is that he's a complete asswig
Corrected that for you...:tongue:
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trish
Jesus is huge. I know Jesus. He absolutely loves me! Classy dude. Really classy.
I once had a taxi driver in Los Angeles called Jesus, he ripped me off. Is that the guy?
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flabbybody
Stavros makes a valid point about Trump's shaky bible background but it might not be a liability at all. Americans like to talk about God but at the end of the day we don't really give a rat's ass about our religions.
The defining moment of John Kennedy's campaign versus Richard Nixon in 1960 came when JFK gave a speech at Rice University essentially renouncing his Catholicism and assuring the public he was a secular individual. Obama did much the same thing when he dissociated himself from his long time pastor who had made some dubious comments about America's responsibility for the 9/11 attacks.
For me personally, I'd be very leery of voting for a truly religious person for president
Interesting point about religion, it often sounds strident here because we are not used to our politicians making any grand statements about their faith, not even from Tony Blair -when he was in office- who is the most extreme in religious terms we have had in recent memory. However, were not Bill Clinton and George W. Bush 'truly religious' Presidents? Or is it a matter of how they link their faith to their policies? Wasn't Bush opposed to stem cell research for religious reasons? Was it a religious reason that got both George W Bush and his brother Jeb involved in the legal decision to re-instate Terry Schiavo's feeding tube in Florida in 2003? However I do suspect you are basically right and that on the day most voters choose the candidate they think will benefit the economy.
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"Religion is the fashionable substitute for belief" Oscar Wilde
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Stavros
... and that on the day most voters choose the candidate they think will benefit the economy.
Although they only constitute just over half the electorate...
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TheThe Republican Super Delicates will be signing their parties own death certificate if they don't elect Trump as the Republic Nominee
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AshlynCreamher
TheThe Republican Super Delicates will be signing their parties own death certificate if they don't elect Trump as the Republic Nominee
And if they don't choose him he will run as an independent anyway. Now there's loyalty for you...
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Since writing the post above, indeed a few hours after it I believe, Mr Trump signed 'a pledge' along with other GOP candidates that he will only run as a Republican, although I do not know if this is a legally enforceable pledge. That candidates have to sign a pledge to 'prove' their loyalty begs the question -will they or won't they? If you want to you can read The Guardian's report on this here:
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...dent-president
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If I may be "blunt" ; The world would be a lot better safer place if he were 6 foot below ground!
I tried watching "The Apprentice USA" once, I've never been so irritated in all my life!
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AshlynCreamher
TheThe Republican Super Delicates will be signing their parties own death certificate if they don't elect Trump as the Republic Nominee
At first I believed the exact opposite but now I'm leaning towards agreement. Trump's early success is making some of the GOP power brokers scratching their heads and should he stick around they'll have to make some tough choices
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flabbybody
At first I believed the exact opposite but now I'm leaning towards agreement. Trump's early success is making some of the GOP power brokers scratching their heads and should he stick around they'll have to make some tough choices
The more obvious question is how, if selected Trump would fare in the race that matters. That of course depends upon whom the Democrats choose. Trump may look daft from this side of the pond, but compare his statements to the one that the no-hoper Rick Perry made- 'A broken clock is right once a day'. Gor blimey, Guv'nor, have you gawn all Gert and Daisy on us?
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The latest poll has Trump vs Hillary dead even but Biden edges Trump by a few points.
Of course with a full 14 months from the actual election what does it really mean? And a Biden run might not even happen. But the buzz that Trump's given this campaign so early in its cycle is truly extraordinary. I've never seen so much interest in presidential politics, even when Obama came on the seen in 2007
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When I first heard it, I though this "Trump for President" malarkey was one of them internet joke type things. Ya know, Go Trump (entirely different thing in the UK)!
Wow! :shrug
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As this thread as aimed at us Brits, feel I should respond. It all just convinces me more that you Yanks (well, about 50% of you) love complete nutters as leaders. I can't really comment as we have Cameron and Boris Johnson - to name just two.
You will have the choice of a nutter or a woman with nuts (probably Bill's)
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I think he's a good businessman but he'd probably make a terrible politician. I don't trust any politician or party, no matter who wins, the country always end up in a terrible state anyway. Same case here in England with the choice between Labour, a party that would put us back in debt and Conservative, a party that has increased tax and made huge cut backs. We were screwed no matter who won our election and America seems to be in the same state.
My view of all politicians is that they're all pigs but I give American politicians one thing: at least they have some inkling of personality which is more than could be said for David "Cunt" Cameron or Ed "Dick" Miliband or any of our other mindless politicians. Oh and this just in, Labour just committed suicide by electing some socialist who consorts with holocaust deniers. Say hello to another 10 years of Conservative rule Britain.
I think America could have it worst. They could be us.
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I hope to god that asshole doesn't become president. Then again, there are folks stupid enough to vote for him.
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Funny that you brought this up because I just happened to read a news article about the VW scandal right before I came on this site. This should probably be another thread, and I don't mean to derail (though I've done it plenty often without meaning to), but I don't see how this company can get away with this without ANY criminal charges at all.
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fred41
Funny that you brought this up because I just happened to read a news article about the VW scandal right before I came on this site. This should probably be another thread, and I don't mean to derail (though I've done it plenty often without meaning to), but I don't see how this company can get away with this without ANY criminal charges at all.
Isn't this a perfect topic for Ralph Nader? I think it was on auto safety that he made his name in the 1960s or the 1970s. And I am sure Mr Trump is concerned with emissions...
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fred41
Funny that you brought this up because I just happened to read a news article about the VW scandal right before I came on this site. This should probably be another thread, and I don't mean to derail (though I've done it plenty often without meaning to), but I don't see how this company can get away with this without ANY criminal charges at all.
I came across that picture while looking for more info on the VW scandal. Whatever happens, the cost to the VW group (which includes Audi, Skoda and Seat, all using the same diesel engines...) is going to be enormous, both in monetary terms and in damage to their reputation.
However, I suspect that this may be the tip of the iceberg. Much in the same way as the Mercedes A Class "Elk test" disaster years ago, other car manufacturers are notable by their silence on the matter. I suspect there's a lot of shredding and deleting of hard drives going on at the moment. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a few major recalls for apparently unrelated concerns over the next few months.
I had a passing interest in motorbikes some years ago and it's interesting that if you looked at the power and torque curves measured and published by all the bike magazines back then, they (nearly) all showed either a flat spot or a decrease in power/torque in the rev range in which the emissions tests were performed. I don't know if it's still the case, but at the time it seemed to be the "accepted" way to pass the emissions test.
Recently, in the UK, Fiat had a problem with one of it's 500 range. Owners were reporting that the cars simply couldn't drive up hills over a certain (fairly low) gradient. Again, the "problem" was engine mapping, almost certainly due to tuning the engine to pass emissions regulations.
Maybe you're correct though, this probably should be on a separate thread.
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Laphroaig
Maybe you're correct though, this probably should be on a separate thread.
Fuck it, we post where we want to post...we're thread thugs...get out of our way!!!...lol
Interesting bit of info though, thanks.
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Stavros
Isn't this a perfect topic for Ralph Nader? I think it was on auto safety that he made his name in the 1960s or the 1970s. And I am sure Mr Trump is concerned with emissions...
I think at this point Nader is just busy going off the deep end some where. As to Trump...logic would dictate that he'll burn out, but you never know, people like watching car wrecks..
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This man is not only a psychopath but he is an evil psychopath; He tried to prosecute an 87 year old woman in Scotland(UK)for objecting to the golf course he built on some of Scotlands most sacred wildlife land. He said it would create 6,000 jobs, it's created 200 so far proving he is also a passive liar.
If this man is ever elected President of the US; I spare all of you and the rest of the world too!
I think he makes George Bush look an intelligent man & he's also capable of "pushing the button".
This trash belongs 6 foot underground.
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peejaye
This man is not only a psychopath but he is an evil psychopath; He tried to prosecute an 87 year old woman in Scotland(UK)for objecting to the golf course he built on some of Scotlands most sacred wildlife land. He said it would create 6,000 jobs, it's created 200 so far proving he is also a passive liar.
If this man is ever elected President of the US; I spare all of you and the rest of the world too!
I think he makes George Bush look an intelligent man & he's also capable of "pushing the button".
This trash belongs 6 foot underground.
I hope this is what you meant to say:
"If this man is ever elected President of the US; I despair of all of you and the rest of the world too!"
Otherwise, maybe you should be posting on the religious thread, preaching forgiveness.... :)
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peejaye
This man is not only a psychopath but he is an evil psychopath; He tried to prosecute an 87 year old woman in Scotland(UK)for objecting to the golf course he built on some of Scotlands most sacred wildlife land. He said it would create 6,000 jobs, it's created 200 so far proving he is also a passive liar.
If this man is ever elected President of the US; I spare all of you and the rest of the world too!
I think he makes George Bush look an intelligent man & he's also capable of "pushing the button".
This trash belongs 6 foot underground.
Can you please post a link to a news article about that, I tried but couldn't find anything.
(I found articles about the deal, but not the woman)
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Molly Forbes (now in her 91st year) and her son refused to sell their property on the estate where Trump's golf course should be. It features in the documentary film by Anthony Baxter A Dangerous Game, discussed in the first link, with an interview with Molly Forbes in the second link. The film also raises questions about the volume of water needed to maintain a golf course and whether or not it makes environmental sense to build them in water deficit areas like Southern California, Las Vegas or Dubai.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/donald...15-6?r=US&IR=T
http://www.trippinguptrump.co.uk/mol...bes-interview/
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trish
Jesus is huge. I know Jesus. He absolutely loves me! Classy dude. Really classy.
( http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/sho...=1#post1631149 )
Dreamon just informed me that Jesus doesn't love Trump...or else Jesus isn't a classy dude....I don't know which.
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Stavros
Molly Forbes (now in her 91st year) and her son refused to sell their property on the estate where Trump's golf course should be. It features in the documentary film by Anthony Baxter A Dangerous Game, discussed in the first link, with an interview with Molly Forbes in the second link. The film also raises questions about the volume of water needed to maintain a golf course and whether or not it makes environmental sense to build them in water deficit areas like Southern California, Las Vegas or Dubai.
Thank you for the links...when you read some of the Trump quotes, they kind of match up with some of the things he says on the campaign trail.
He's a large scale real estate developer...and a successful one.
It's part of what voters have to take into consideration (just like the folks that vote for the politicians that allowed Trump to do it...).
I won't vote for Trump. If I were a supporter of his, I'd be offended by the fact that , until very recently..(and even then it's sparse), he doesn't even bother to try to answer questions with anything even approaching specifics.
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don't think I'm alone thinking the Trump thing has peaked. Even Donald himself looks like a little kid beginning to get bored with his new toy. The main question is which of the nitwits will pick up the ball and make a play. Maybe Rubio by default simply because the others are so terrible
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I can't take Trump seriously as a politician. He used to bludgeoning people to get his on way and that's not how it works in national or international politics. I think the media are only following him to see the inevitable train wreck that is his campaign.
And if I had the chance meet him, I'd want to ask when he plans to stop combing his armpit hair up and over his head ... :D
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Trump is definitely not republican. His proposed tax plan increases taxes for the rich and has Blacks and Hispanics paying little or none. This is about as anti-republican as one can get with taxes.