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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-32213482
April 2015: Walter Lamer Scott, 50, is shot eight times in South Carolina as he runs away from Officer Michael Slager. Mr Scott dies at the scene. The shooting is captured on video and Mr Slager is charged with murder.
December 2014: Jerame Reid, 36, is shot dead during a routine traffic stop in New Jersey. An officer claims Mr Reid was reaching for a gun, but video footage seems to suggest he was attempting to step out of the car, hands raised.
November 2014: Tamir Rice, a 12-year-old boy, is shot dead in a playground by Cleveland police after a local resident reports he is pointing a gun at passers by. The gun turns out to be a toy. A grand jury will decide whether police will face charges.
August 2014: Michael Brown, an unarmed 18-year-old, is shot dead by Officer Darren Wilson in Ferguson, Missouri. The shooting leads to protests, first in Ferguson and later nationwide. A grand jury decides not to charge Mr Wilson.
July 2014: Eric Garner, an asthma sufferer, is stopped by police in New York and placed in a chokehold after refusing to be handcuffed. He dies despite repeatedly telling officers he cannot breathe. No police are charged.
March 2014: James Boyd, an unarmed homeless man camping in Alberquerque, is shot dead by two officers. Video of the incident leads prosecutors to say the officers acted with "deliberate intention" and they are charged.
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Hey, it's the natural benefit of allowing citizens to carry concealed firearms. That way you can always blow someone away on the grounds you were afraid they were gonna pull out their weapon and blow you away. It's great fun for everyone. You should come over here and try it. It's like paint ball, only it's not paint!
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This belongs on the Politics forum, not here.
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Cops suck.
When 'good' cops don't speak out against and root out the bad ones, they ALL are bad cops.
Shit is so crazy out here.
If there's no video, there's no crime.
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I would've thought an ideal place for this thread would be between two other threads on the general forum about transgenders being shot and murdered with ... with... What are those things called again? ...oh, yeah, GUNS.
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Great to see you're all fighting again!!!
This will probably be the shortest comeback in Hung Angels history, but I can't wait to here Al Sharpton tonight at six blow this story up into proof that Whitey has it out for the Black Man.....BULLETIN!!!
Some South Carolina cop is a racist?? OH NOOOOO!!! SAY IT AIN'T SO!!!
Let me tell you what black people are guilty of- the unforgivable sin, the big hidden secret.
NOT MELTING into the GREAT AMERICAN MELTING POT
Please God, give black people their rights!!
Sorry, there's just us.
So much of racism is just plain stupidity, so many stupid people.
I'm afraid as long as black people refuse to give up their individuality and melt into the great American dream, dumb cops are going to look into their eyes and see a guilty person.
When I worked at the Library of Congress, it was half black, half white. Sometimes I would get high with the brothers, we'd all talk together, but in a large room, the blacks would all congregate to one side, the whites would all congregate to the other side. The black guys in their twenties were all on hard narcotics and would steal everything they could. As workers they were worthless. The older guys and women were pretty good workers, sometimes real good. For whatever reason, testosterone + black blood=criminal.
I hope one day bullshit gets recognized as bullshit, and we can get along with the drudgery of saving our own skins. That could happen right now but it requires the unthinkable: forgiving others for their sins, like REALLY. And that takes a lifetime of forgivin. WORD!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgtQj8O92eI
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When WHITE PEOPLE get over racism, we will indeed have a 'more perfect union'.
Blaming Black folk for the existence of racism is like blaming a rape victim for leaving the house in a miniskirt and no bra.
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Let me get this straight -a 50 year old man runs away from a 33 year old policeman, but the policeman can't run after the 50 year old and arrest him because....he can't run fast enough? In how many cop shows did you see a chase on foot? But that's tv for you, they never do get it right.
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Hi Buttslinger. I enjoyed many of your posts here and I hope you continue to post, but racism against black people isn't the result of black people refusing to assimilate. Racism itself stands in the way of assimilation for everyone. This has been said about every group in history; people assimilate when they are treated the same way as the majority culture and not singled out for mistreatment.
About 240 years since we declared our independence of the Brits. For something like 190 of those years, African-Americans have either been enslaved or subject to facially discriminatory laws and de facto exclusion from places of public accommodation. Very convenient to now say that all of the racial disharmony in this country is the result of African-Americans not wanting to assimilate. So until the Civil War, African-Americans were in chains, until the civil rights movement, they were outcasts under the law....but now we are learning that the real problem has always been that they refuse to live peacefully among us? Not believable.
Police officers are more likely to use lethal force when apprehending African-American men. I try to judge each case on its merits, but the pattern seems clear.
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I watched the video of the murder. It was so cold-blooded, so brazen and malicious. I am hoping this is so bad that even the fox news folks might have enough decency not to defame the victim. If you saw this and have no feeling for the victim or don't think this kind of violence against defenseless people deserves protest, there's something wrong.
And yes, I generally prefer not to watch a video of a murder out of respect for the victim, but I would argue it's more important to know what happened here. Words can't adequately describe what the officer did here. It was the movie scene where a rogue cop decides to kill someone and begins manipulating the scene and sorting out his alibi. That's one thing movies get right.
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broncofan
Hi Buttslinger. I enjoyed many of your posts here and I hope you continue to post, but racism against black people isn't the result of black people refusing to assimilate. Racism itself stands in the way of assimilation for everyone.
I agree with bf here, buttslinger. I like some of your posts but you're being an ass here asking black people to melt into this society, as if they haven't been trying for about 400 years.
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So the thread got moved to a less visited place - so be it.
Buttslinger is right - blacks should "melt into society", the guy should have faced the cop, looked more aggressive and always be aware of some do-gooder taking a video.
For Americans, the above is sarcasm :dancing:
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I agree with bf here, buttslinger. I like some of your posts but you're being an ass here asking black people to melt into this society, as if they haven't been trying for about 400 years.
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150 years ago today, at the Court House in Appomatox, Virginia, Robert E. Lee surrendered to Ulysses S. Grant. 750,000 dead, and the rest is history.
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I was going to post in Stavros's nuclear Middle East post that there was a time in 1945 when White America really could have taken over the entire world, after melting Moscow, St Petersburg and a few other key Russian cities, who would not bow down to us? But I thought upsetting people on this thread would be easier.
Of course I'm just being inflammmmatory, it's not only me saying blacks are the only ones who didn't melt into the great American melting pot, they taught me that in Sociology 101. It's in the text book. I do not begin to understand what it's really like to be black, but I worked in Chocolate City (Wash DC) a couple years and based on that experience, I do not really see a viable plan to marry black to white.
In almost all cases where blacks are getting gunned down or choked, or injured, is when they RESIST.
In this case, in Ferguson, New York, those cases would have gone down MUCH BETTER had the dumb cops just let the guys go, it's called Law and ORDER, and the Police Officer with the Uniform is responsible for everything that goes down when he's on the scene. The Police are trained over and over to be the solution, not the problem, but stupid cops and stupid people, put them together when both are having a real bad day.......
I think this case in South Carolina is so open and shut there is like no discussion necessary, but in the wider world of reality, if 80 percent of the population wants to trample 20 percent of the population to get the best jobs and the best houses and the best schools, that's the Fuckin American Way!!! We're not COMMIES!! We give our "undesirables" jobs as garbagemen, janitors, maids, or convicts. And we're the greatest country in the World!!
Much of this is based on our Military and Police Force. Not the Bible.
With Obama in office, rules about marijuana, being gay, have gotten much better MUCH BETTER. But Obama does not send his kids to public schools in DC. No responsible Father would inflict his kids with that death sentence if he could afford not to.
Racism falls into the area of guns and abortion, foe me, anyway. On this forum it's pretty clear we're against guns, for abortion, against racism,.....but I'm really about 50-50 on most of these issues, until I get a multi-million dollar grant and staff to examine the facts clearly and objectively, I'll probably remain 50-50. I lived in a "black neighborhood" for over a decade, I didn't like it. But the mortgage was dirt cheap. You couldn't have anything good there. I got robbed twice, attacked in front of my house, had my car spray painted, my fence torn down every week.
A lot of Black Communities have hard core CHURCH-GOERS, who would most likely not have good things to say about the people here, people who choose NOT to abide by God's Law, ....obey, ...blend in with the Congregation. You don't stray from the flock.
I once bought a ten dollar rock of cocaine from a couple of black kids on a bicycle in the middle of the street in a bad drug area of DC, they must have been about eight and ten years old, and as I walked to the sidewalk I came eye-to-eye with one of the Church Ladies who was standing inside her gate and lived in that neighborhood and had to see all that stuff go on 24-7. We bad a brief but intense moment, I was the sinner. Eyeball to Eyeball.
I don't blames the Blacks for racism any more than I blame the American Indian for genocide. I AM A WHITE MAN!!!! DAMMIT!!!
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I thought I provided a perfectly good alternative by using the word assimilate, but it seems everyone prefers the metaphor of white people and black people in a giant pot melting together. How about blending together? Does anyone like frappes? Mixing? :tongue:
From Britannica below:
Assimilation, in anthropology and sociology, the process whereby individuals or groups of differing ethnic heritage are absorbed into the dominant culture of a society.
Anyhow, I would shake my head at your purchase of cocaine from an 8 year old child....but I guess it's much better than selling to children? I'm calling on my forced optimism gene here.
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Anyhow, I would shake my head at your purchase of cocaine from an 8 year old child....but I guess it's much better than selling to children? I'm calling on my forced optimism gene here.
In strange days, that episode was extra-strange, I do remember the rock they sold me was one of the best ever!
Truth is I don't think any WhiteMan can understand Black Pain, no matter how liberal you are. I don't think there is a logical solution, I know if I ever go to Prison, I'm going to hang with the Aryan Brotherhood. Out here in the suburbs, I can pretend to be anything I want to be, an enlightened seer of Truth, whatever, what difference does it make? After you hit age Thirty, all the noble causes kind of fade away into the noble cause of making the most amount of money for the least amount of work.
I seems to me that the Brothers who have gotten killed in the News lately all share one thing: It's like they all finally had all they could take and just kind of snapped. It's not what you see- it's all the stuff you don't see. All you see is the last straw.
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Im sorry the guy lost his life like that!!! At least the scumbag redneck cop is in jail with NO BAIL!!! His day is coming, just a matter of time!!!!
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New police video shows the murder victim when he was originally stopped lied to the P.O. about his ownership of the car and absolutely bugged out and ran abandoning the vehicle once the cop went back to his squad car to check his ID.
Not good. But it explains why he was shot 250 yards from his car.
There was an altercation after the cop initially caught up with him and I saw a photo on CNN today that looks like the cop had taser lines in his arm, apparently he was shot by the taser in trying to apprehend the suspect.
Okay, given those circumstances, I understand the cop was maybe pissed off all this bullshit was going down over a random stop, but you still don't pull out your service revolver and gun a man down because you're sick of chasing his ass.
Let him go. Don't kill him.
You have his ID and car.
Arrest him at his home.
Cops piss me the fuck off but unless you think a cop is about to kill you on the spot, running from a cop usually always ends up badly for someone.
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I was going to post in Stavros's nuclear Middle East post that there was a time in 1945 when White America really could have taken over the entire world, after melting Moscow, St Petersburg and a few other key Russian cities, who would not bow down to us? But I thought upsetting people on this thread would be easier.
Of course I'm just being inflammmmatory, it's not only me saying blacks are the only ones who didn't melt into the great American melting pot, they taught me that in Sociology 101. It's in the text book. I do not begin to understand what it's really like to be black, but I worked in Chocolate City (Wash DC) a couple years and based on that experience, I do not really see a viable plan to marry black to white.
In almost all cases where blacks are getting gunned down or choked, or injured, is when they RESIST.
In this case, in Ferguson, New York, those cases would have gone down MUCH BETTER had the dumb cops just let the guys go, it's called Law and ORDER, and the Police Officer with the Uniform is responsible for everything that goes down when he's on the scene. The Police are trained over and over to be the solution, not the problem, but stupid cops and stupid people, put them together when both are having a real bad day.......
I think this case in South Carolina is so open and shut there is like no discussion necessary, but in the wider world of reality, if 80 percent of the population wants to trample 20 percent of the population to get the best jobs and the best houses and the best schools, that's the Fuckin American Way!!! We're not COMMIES!! We give our "undesirables" jobs as garbagemen, janitors, maids, or convicts. And we're the greatest country in the World!!
Much of this is based on our Military and Police Force. Not the Bible.
With Obama in office, rules about marijuana, being gay, have gotten much better MUCH BETTER. But Obama does not send his kids to public schools in DC. No responsible Father would inflict his kids with that death sentence if he could afford not to.
Racism falls into the area of guns and abortion, foe me, anyway. On this forum it's pretty clear we're against guns, for abortion, against racism,.....but I'm really about 50-50 on most of these issues, until I get a multi-million dollar grant and staff to examine the facts clearly and objectively, I'll probably remain 50-50. I lived in a "black neighborhood" for over a decade, I didn't like it. But the mortgage was dirt cheap. You couldn't have anything good there. I got robbed twice, attacked in front of my house, had my car spray painted, my fence torn down every week.
A lot of Black Communities have hard core CHURCH-GOERS, who would most likely not have good things to say about the people here, people who choose NOT to abide by God's Law, ....obey, ...blend in with the Congregation. You don't stray from the flock.
I once bought a ten dollar rock of cocaine from a couple of black kids on a bicycle in the middle of the street in a bad drug area of DC, they must have been about eight and ten years old, and as I walked to the sidewalk I came eye-to-eye with one of the Church Ladies who was standing inside her gate and lived in that neighborhood and had to see all that stuff go on 24-7. We bad a brief but intense moment, I was the sinner. Eyeball to Eyeball.
I don't blames the Blacks for racism any more than I blame the American Indian for genocide. I AM A WHITE MAN!!!! DAMMIT!!!
Sooo, I'm guessing you never got busted for buying & you've since kicked the habit?
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Sooo, I'm guessing you never got busted for buying & you've since kicked the habit?
I don't even drink or smoke cigarettes anymore, TOO OLD!!
Bottom line, the whiteman is losing his power in the USA, even the blackman is going to be squeezed by the Mexicans, and the Asians.
The name WASHINGTON REDSKINS will be changed. Not because it's the right thing to do, but because they're gonna get squeezed.
And Martin, you Brits weren't so concerned about the plight of the underdog when you were colonizing the entire world and up to your ears in the slave trade!
I predict a certain amount of favor will sway towards the white cop at trial-time, simply as a thank you to the white cop that arrested so many negro gangstas, alimony-evaders, etc etc etc.
Q) How many New York City policemen does it take to push a black man down the stairs?
A) None. He fell.
Millions of law abiding US Citizens don't like to see people getting away with shit. It's not enough they work hard, save their money and play by the rules.
There is a feeling among white people that black people will not pull their own weight unless forced to.
Yes, I am messing with you guys a bit, provoking, and enflaming, I think a joke is a joke, a fight is a fight but WHAT"S RIGHT IS WHAT'S RIGHT
I don't believe in Communism, but I do believe in Unions. There are thousands and thousands of black cops that aren't Uncle Toms. They are the ones who are going to change things.
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buttslinger
I don't even drink or smoke cigarettes anymore, TOO OLD!!
Bottom line, the whiteman is losing his power in the USA, even the blackman is going to be squeezed by the Mexicans, and the Asians.
The name WASHINGTON REDSKINS will be changed. Not because it's the right thing to do, but because they're gonna get squeezed.
And Martin, you Brits weren't so concerned about the plight of the underdog when you were colonizing the entire world and up to your ears in the slave trade!
I predict a certain amount of favor will sway towards the white cop at trial-time, simply as a thank you to the white cop that arrested so many negro gangstas, alimony-evaders, etc etc etc.
Q) How many New York City policemen does it take to push a black man down the stairs?
A) None. He fell.
Millions of law abiding US Citizens don't like to see people getting away with shit. It's not enough they work hard, save their money and play by the rules.
There is a feeling among white people that black people will not pull their own weight unless forced to.
Yes, I am messing with you guys a bit, provoking, and enflaming, I think a joke is a joke, a fight is a fight but WHAT"S RIGHT IS WHAT'S RIGHT
I don't believe in Communism, but I do believe in Unions. There are thousands and thousands of black cops that aren't Uncle Toms. They are the ones who are going to change things.
We've had almost a half century of a counter-productive "War On Drugs"(complete with stupid mandatory sentencing guidelines), crumbling infrastructure , loss of native manufacturing base(& the necessary skill set), a sub-par educational system & a political/corporate class that panders to the worst human instincts & would rather import help than invest in its own citizens. A perfect storm for chaos.
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I realize you're just trying to be edgy/inflammatory Buttslinger. But I honestly think there's been a sea change here. People saw that video, were appalled and understand better why many black men are justifiably afraid of the police. I agree with Giovanni' post that nobody should run from the police during a questioning...and if the officer was tasered, that changes the complexion of what happened from a cold assassination to a simpler, less devious murder but a murder nonetheless.
As for your view that black people don't pull their weight, I've also heard people say the same thing. It's the type of thing people will say and believe regardless of the facts. It's how racism perpetuates itself, by confirmation bias. These people will view any black man who works hard as an exception (instead of the more logical option which is to re-evaluate the stereotype and discard it).
Here's the other thing...when a white man orders a black man to do his job or get fired, he is just demanding everyone pull his weight. But what if your employer is black and he/she orders you to do something or get fired? I am not playing race against race, but the fact is, nobody likes to think they are the loser in a power struggle. If you are an employer you see your subordinates as lazy and if you are the employed you see your boss as heartless and unable to account for your circumstances. As more African-Americans are in positions of power, we see more paranoia. Time to put aside the recrimination about who is pulling their weight and pay attention to the real issues! Unarmed people being shot speaks much more loudly than unconfirmed claims that some races are not pulling their weight.
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We've had almost a half century of a counter-productive "War On Drugs"(complete with stupid mandatory sentencing guidelines), crumbling infrastructure , loss of native manufacturing base(& the necessary skill set), a sub-par educational system & a political/corporate class that panders to the worst human instincts & would rather import help than invest in its own citizens. A perfect storm for chaos.
My posts are obviously for entertainment value only, any truth I throw in is just to confuse things even more, I agree with you, I think every one agrees with you, the problem is I don't know if there is anything that could REALISTICALLY be done to make the 1950s go on forever, back then you could clerk in a hardware store and support a family of five.
It would be hard to find anyone who truthfully could have drawn up a plan to counteract all the problems that have risen over the past fifty years, and it would be IMPOSSIBLE to find the people who could have carried out that plan, America is successful because in a sense it counts on people being selfish and stacking up as much cash as they can, and then it taxes them. It counts on people competing with each other. It counts on people stepping on the hands of the people under them on the ladder. You never know what disaster or problem might arise, but you can bet the house that people will buy million dollar lottery tickets, even if the chances are ten million to one. I think if you took away the one percent of the Americans that mess up all the statistics, you'd find the living in Germany is a lot better than living here. Sieg Heil!!!
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I realize you're just trying to be edgy/inflammatory ..Unarmed people being shot speaks much more loudly than unconfirmed claims that some races are not pulling their weight.
I think my point boils down to ....if you wanted to buy a house......where would you want to go to, a black neighborhood, or a white neighborhood? In other words, a RICH neighborhood, or a POOR neighborhood? You would be exactly the same guy, but in one house you would be surrounded by crime and misery, in the other house manicured lawns and laughing children.
Do people in slums not carry their weight?
We could clean up ALL the bad neighborhoods right now- just pour money into them....that's what the Republicans say Obama is doing.
I liked that show THE WIRE where the black bosses were just as big an asshole as the white bosses. And the white teacher got the black kids to study math only if he showed them why math says the chances of rolling a six in craps is much better than rolling a twelve.
People never think of themselves as assholes, if one out of ten people think you're an asshole, you're probably OK, but if nine out of ten people think you're an asshole.....you're an asshole. Who speaks for all the assholes, aren't they Americans too? Do assholes deserve the same consideration as everyone else? I'm sure we as a nation would be much better off if we deported the assholes or put them in asshole camps.
Somewhere along the line you have to decide how much THE HAVES must invest in the HAVE NOTS.
All this has little to do with that shooting in Carolina. As the prices of cameras continues to go down, the Light of Truth is going to shine brighter. I hate fucking red light cameras. If that cop had a camera on his lapel, there wouldn't have been a shooting.
I have to go work in the yard it is a gorgeous day here.
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People never think of themselves as assholes, if one out of ten people think you're an asshole, you're probably OK, but if nine out of ten people think you're an asshole.....you're an asshole. Who speaks for all the assholes, aren't they Americans too? Do assholes deserve the same consideration as everyone else? I'm sure we as a nation would be much better off if we deported the assholes or put them in asshole camps.
I'm not trying to lecture but I obviously have similarly strong views. It sounds to me like you're saying that we've gone so far in combatting bigotry that we don't think any behavior is blameworthy. I think that misunderstands what bigotry is.
It's perfectly okay to discriminate based on behavior. It's quite different from discrimination based on heritage. Bad behavior is easy enough to identify, so why then do people always try to use ethnicity as a proxy for behavioral patterns? Personally I think it's because people want to blame the innocent for the behavior of the guilty. I don't know why...but if someone doesn't like crime, they should blame criminals, not accuse entire ethnic groups of having criminal tendencies. Enjoy your yard, I'm going out myself.
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Hey, it's the natural benefit of allowing citizens to carry concealed firearms. That way you can always blow someone away on the grounds you were afraid they were gonna pull out their weapon and blow you away. It's great fun for everyone. You should come over here and try it. It's like paint ball, only it's not paint!
I agree, guns both legal and illegal have gotten out of hand. In some of these states, every traffic stop is a potential shooting. It creates a hell of a lot more tension than would normally be necessary.
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I also don't think every individual incident listed in the OP necessarily is an example of "Police Killers"...but hey, nothing like a little hyperbole...
but gee, I'm an American so I may not understand if this is meant to be sarcasm or not...:dancing:
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Just in : There's been a shooting/suicide by cop at the Capitol.
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broncofan
I realize you're just trying to be edgy/inflammatory Buttslinger. But I honestly think there's been a sea change here. People saw that video, were appalled and understand better why many black men are justifiably afraid of the police. I agree with Giovanni' post that nobody should run from the police during a questioning...and if the officer was tasered, that changes the complexion of what happened from a cold assassination to a simpler, less devious murder but a murder nonetheless.
As for your view that black people don't pull their weight, I've also heard people say the same thing. It's the type of thing people will say and believe regardless of the facts. It's how racism perpetuates itself, by confirmation bias. These people will view any black man who works hard as an exception (instead of the more logical option which is to re-evaluate the stereotype and discard it).
Here's the other thing...when a white man orders a black man to do his job or get fired, he is just demanding everyone pull his weight. But what if your employer is black and he/she orders you to do something or get fired? I am not playing race against race, but the fact is, nobody likes to think they are the loser in a power struggle. If you are an employer you see your subordinates as lazy and if you are the employed you see your boss as heartless and unable to account for your circumstances. As more African-Americans are in positions of power, we see more paranoia. Time to put aside the recrimination about who is pulling their weight and pay attention to the real issues! Unarmed people being shot speaks much more loudly than unconfirmed claims that some races are not pulling their weight.
Black people pull their weight(& more often than not, the weight of the ENTIRE COUNTRY!!) We've been doing it since 1619 & often it seems on a treadmill. No other group gets single out as a group for the behaviors of a FEW DYSFUNCTIONAL INDIVIDUALS. No other group has been as loyal or as faithfully invested in the nation as us. (Think about: if push comes to shove, the Irish can go back to Ireland, the Italians Italy. Mexicans, Chinese, Polish, etc., etc. Where can we go?) N
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I'm an American so I may not understand if this is meant to be sarcasm or not...:dancing:
You know what I call people who don't laugh at MY jokes? Humor impaired. :tongue:
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My posts are obviously for entertainment value only, any truth I throw in is just to confuse things even more
I like that line, mind if I borrow some time?
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I like that line, mind if I borrow some time?
That line about Blacks being the only ethnic group that didn't melt in the great American melting pot really is right out of the College Bookshelf, I guess if you really wanted to understand racism, police procedure, etc, there are tons of books that feature Authorities on the matter, guys that take the time to be RIGHT. A good Historian has to see through people's colorization of the facts when they filter through tons of eye witness accounts.
You can't talk about racism here without pictures of chicks with dicks flashing on either side. You can't speak on Fox News without eventually exposing yourself as an asshole. In matters of racism, who you are, your perspective, drastically colors what racism is.
I consider former Cowboys receiver Michael Irvin a N*GG*R, sorry, I can't stand looking at him. Clinton prosecutor Ken Starr, he's the flip side.
Stepping outside one's self to see things clearly probably means no hung angels, no gang of personal friends, pretty dry stuff. Being a racist or blaming whites for all the problems in the black community is fun and easy, you'll have lots of friends either way. In history, there is an EXPLANATION for everything. In Eastern Religion, history is a product of the glands. And GLANDS are hot stuff here on Hung Angels!! Let's Rock!!!
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I guess my last word on this topic will be the white cop is going to say that years of training and street experience left him no doubt that the perp who ran from justice was trying to wrestle away his stun gun so he could taze a police officer in uniform, grab his police gun and kill him. Then the cop will hope and pray the blood tox on the dead man comes back with signs of PCP and bath salts.
As for the melting pot, I been thinkin' ..........The American Indian refused to fit into white society, probably because they had no history of it. They would team up with the white man in the French and Indian Wars, but mainly they would either fight the white man or sign a treaty, never melt. The Japanese are notorious racists, probably because they all lived on an island forever. The Europeans who came to America had been co-mingling for thousands of years in Europe, so melting into the great American melting pot was probably pretty natural. The Africans who came to America largely came as slaves, they were slaves in Africa, captured by enemy tribes, building pyramids, so unfortune-ately maybe they're atuned to slaving away in shit jobs, like, what else is new, man?
The old joke is that the poor Asian comes to American, works 18 hours a day to save up enough to buy a small store, raises a couple kids, then, when the eldest son is 16 and ready to spend a few hours after school in the store to help out says.....
"nah, I'd rather hang out with my friends at the mall"
I think in the end economic realities are going to be what kills the USA more than racism, or illegal aliens, or guns, or abortion. There are billions of dirt poor Chinese and Indian people poised to take our cash.
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Re: Those US Police killers again!
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buttslinger
The Europeans who came to America had been co-mingling for thousands of years in Europe, so melting into the great American melting pot was probably pretty natural.
What an absurd load of crap. You have no idea what you're talking about. How did the Jews get on in that great European "melting pot." Or the Romani? Or the Irish? Or the Poles? How have the Slavs been doing co-mingling with the rest of Europe, or even with other Slavs?
The American "melting pot" is ahistorical nonsense, intended to shift blame for bigotry onto those being marginalized. Oh, your family experienced injustice? Maybe you should have tried harder to assimilate.
My family emigrated from Scandinavia to Minnesota in the 1860s. It was three generations and almost 100 years before the family spoke English at home. I'm a fifth-generation American of 100% Scandinavian descent. How often to you hear people bemoaning the fact that Scandinavian-Americans just refuse to assimilate and adopt American values? What about those Pennsylvania Dutch who still refuse to speak English and wear regular clothes?
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buttslinger
I think in the end economic realities are going to be what kills the USA more than racism, or illegal aliens, or guns, or abortion. There are billions of dirt poor Chinese and Indian people poised to take our cash.
More thoughtless xenophobia. The United States of America is stronger economically right now than it has ever been. There is no chance that any of the things that you mention are going to "kill the USA." Those "billions of dirt poor Chinese and Indian people" are in no position to "take" anyone's cash. If we are careful and do things correctly, we'll be able to exchange US cash for the goods and services that Chinese and the Indians produce, and they'll in turn that use that cash to purchase goods and services that the US produces.
Macroeconomics is not a zero-sum game. Read a book, dude.
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thombergeron
Macroeconomics is not a zero-sum game. Read a book, dude.
Ah, another one walks into my web.
You speak Scandanavian?
Do the Amish drive cars or talk on the telephone?? THEY"RE you're examples???
If you ever do your blood DNA, maybe you'll be almost all Scandanavian, but I'm sure the Vikings put a lot of DNA into Europe. What with all that pillaging and raping. Scandanavia is opening up it's doors to Muslims now because they need the tax revenue, nobody else wants to go there. I imagine eskimos have real pure blood. My blood has lots of English and Scottish, and probably lots of other stuff also.
The kid who mows my lawn's last name is Engvall. My friend's families growing up originally came from Sweden, Germany, France, Italy, Russia, MELTING POT. Mainly European Countries. That's what a melting pot is. Scandanavians are 100% included in the American melting pot. People from Arkansas are different from people from Vermont, but they all grow up with the same school books.
There is a good chance you don't understand my writing style, you don't think there is an American melting pot?
As for Europe, I don't think there is any continent on the earth with a more diversified population, other than the US.
There is no doubt the American place as top dog is on the decline. There is no doubt China and India's economic star is rising. If everybody's house is worth a million bucks, that's a bad thing. Economically, it would be better if China was buying Fords and Levis. We are buying much more from them than they are buying from us. In that sense, they are stealing our cash. If you subtracted the 50% of our wealth that the one percenters own, many countries in Europe would be doing better than us.
The USA is not stronger now than it has ever been. We were better off in the 1950s when Dad went to work and Mom and the five kids lived off his puny salary.
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Re: Those US Police killers again!
Personally, I don't need to feel responsible for all the actions of my government or its security services now; let alone 200 years ago.
Living in a city about to celebrate 800 years since the signing of theca Magna Carta and that we hold one in our castle, I believe in what it states:
- 24. No Freeman shall be taken or imprisoned, or be disseised of his Freehold, or Liberties, or free Customs, or be outlawed, or exiled, or any other wise destroyed; nor will We not pass upon him, nor condemn him, but by lawful judgment of his Peers, or by the Law of the Land. We will sell to no man, we will not deny or defer to any man either Justice or Right.
I understand the Magna Carta forms the basis of your own constitution
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buttslinger
And Martin, you Brits weren't so concerned about the plight of the underdog when you were colonizing the entire world and up to your ears in the slave trade!
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martin48
Personally, I don't need to feel responsible for all the actions of my government or its security services now; let alone 200 years ago.
I understand the Magna Carta forms the basis of your own constitution
History is about guys knocking other guys off, my 4fathers said it was self evident that all men are created equal, not women, certainly not black men! And what spurred the Magna Carta and the American Revolution? Englishmen taxing folk for their own coffers. MONEY and POWER.
History is not wrong, people are wrong, and the English Museum is full of stuff you guys looted from your colonization days, those were different times, Abe Lincoln almost had his head eliminated by an Indian when he was just a kid, his wounded brother shot the Indian and then died, I believe. Abe Lincoln freed the slaves only in the Confederacy, and he was the one who sent slaves back to Africa, Liberia, I believe. Thombergeron is half right, I do read books, I just forget them after they re closed.
If you map Europe every century for the past three thousand years, a different empire is in charge each century, all the way round the Mediterranean Sea blood has been mixing for thousands of years, not so much in Africa, or Australia or Norway. The British are need deep in blood and guns during their time in the sun, the sun never sets on the English Empire!
This is Our Time now, and it will end eventually, just like every other super power that ever existed. The EAST is rising. Nikka should put her website in Chinese and Korean, lots of money to be made there.
After Vietnam, the USA changed it's immigration laws so we could save all our Vietnamese friends from a bloodbath. So since the seventies it's been less Europeans coming in to the US, more everybody else. Then there's the Hispanics.
I think the future is going to be less black/white confrontation, and more alienation by everybody. If you live in an American urban coastal CITY, it is a world apart from a rural American Midwest town. Everybody knows each other in Mayberry, but there were no black people in Mayberry. Or Beaver Cleaver's school. You had Rochester on the Jack Benny show, Beulah, but I don't think you had any real black people until Sanford and Son.
(Steptoe and Son, Martin)
I have a sneaking suspicion that Giovanni Hotel and his homies aren't so much after racial equality and the harmonization of the races as they are into getting some of the WHITEMAN cash and whiteman power ....access to all the stuff the whiteman gets. You know, "Uppity"........
Bullshit aside, it's sad black people have to die to have a conversation about race relations in the US, or kids have to die to have a conversation about guns. Even though we stole this country from the Indians, and enslaved black families, and dominate the world with nuclear weapons, this is the Land of the Free. Free Speech. just pay postage and handling. For a limited time, get two free speeches, just pay extra postage and handling.
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Re: Those US Police killers again!
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buttslinger
I guess my last word on this topic will be the white cop is going to say that years of training and street experience left him no doubt that the perp who ran from justice was trying to wrestle away his stun gun so he could taze a police officer in uniform, grab his police gun and kill him. Then the cop will hope and pray the blood tox on the dead man comes back with signs of PCP and bath salts.
In other words, he's hoping there is something he can do to distract the jury from the fact that he shot an unarmed man three times in the back. At the time he fired his gun the man wasn't a threat to him. There's therefore no self-defense.
Are you aware of the fact that Native Americans were aggressively displaced from their land and killed? They weren't exactly invited to be part of the American melting pot. Had there been a large influx of Native Americans who were eager to adopt American values, who's to say they would not have been discriminated against? Either way, it's tough to blame them for wanting to continue their way of life on the little land that was apportioned to them.
I have not read a history book that insists as you say that African-Americans suffered discrimination because of a willful refusal to adopt American customs. That's pretty obviously a false narrative.
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broncofan
In other words, he's hoping there is something he can do to distract the jury from the fact that he shot an unarmed man three times in the back. At the time he fired his gun the man wasn't a threat to him. There's therefore no self-defense.
Are you aware of the fact that Native Americans were aggressively displaced from their land and killed? They weren't exactly invited to be part of the American melting pot. Had there been a large influx of Native Americans who were eager to adopt American values, who's to say they would not have been discriminated against? Either way, it's tough to blame them for wanting to continue their way of life on the little land that was apportioned to them.
I have not read a history book that insists as you say that African-Americans suffered discrimination because of a willful refusal to adopt American customs. That's pretty obviously a false narrative.
If that cop can get a jury to believe that Walter Scott was trying to steal his tazer so he could zap him and possibly shoot him, then Walter Scott goes from a guy guilty of a broken tail light to a guy guilty of attempted murder. You can't let an attempted murderer run off into the general population! If he wasn't guilty, why did he run?? Just like Travon Martin, they're going to start a smear campaign against Walter Scott, you watch. Don't believe your eyes.
One of my relatives down south married an Indian princess, my brother spotted it because my cousin Brenda has eyelids that only Indians have. Maybe Brenda can open a casino. Yeah, I would say Indians did not melt into the great American Melting Pot. And How.
If I said African Americans suffered discrimination because they didn't want to be "Uncle Toms" I think that might need more thinking or discussion .....there are lots of ethnic groups that were discriminated against, but over the generations they were absorbed into the white side of the room. This is the story Mike told me at the Library of Congress that I have mentioned here before. Mike grew up an Air Force brat in Asia, where he wasn't black, he was American. He didn't become black til he moved to DC. They had a retirement party for one of the big shots, the crowd was salt and pepper. But as soon as the speeches were over and cake and punch were served, Mike looked up and saw all the whites on one side of the room, and all the blacks on the other. Mike said he had never seen this before. If I were black I wouldn't want to be a Tom, just because I wouldn't want all my black friends calling me a Tom. If a black person works hard to better his or her self and family, and fails. Don't blame me!!!
I believe that Obama sees America not as the shining house on the hill, America is the NEIGHBORHOOD you grow up in. I think in his heart and soul he does what he does to make those black neighborhoods great.
Then.....Obama, save us from Isis.
Obama, cut my taxes
Obama, give me something. Do something for me, solve my problems, save the world.
I think there are things Obama has set in motion, like Obamacare, that will noticeably change things for the better in a way all Americans will recognize. Lots of the Bush stuff will take years to undo. But there is no human being that that can make a Black Man believe they've been "given" enough. I said it. It's in print. Don't argue with me or I'll shoot you.