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06-03-2007 #1
Pakistan 'same-sex' couple jailed
A Pakistani court has jailed a married couple for three years for perjury after a dispute over the husband's sex.
Last week the court ruled that the husband was, in fact, a woman, despite sex-change surgery and that the couple had lied about his sexual status.
It also said their marriage was un-Islamic because it was same-sex.
The case is believed the first of its kind in Pakistan. The couple said they would appeal against the sentence and have asked President Musharraf to help.
Shumail Raj, 31, had sex-change surgery to become a man and then married his cousin - who was aware of the condition but says she needed his help to avoid being forced into wedlock with someone else.
'Lenient'
He is reported to have undergone surgery twice in Pakistan over the past 16 years to become a man.
But tests carried out by doctors on behalf of the court ruled that Raj, who has a beard an moustache, was still a woman.
He himself says that he needs to go abroad for more treatment even though his breasts and uterus have been removed.
Shumail Raj
Shumail Raj has appealed to President Musharraf for help
The judge, Khawaja Mohammad Sharif, said he was issuing a "lenient" sentence, below the maximum punishment, because the couple had apologised, the Associated Press news agency reports.
He also asked them to pay a fine of 10,000 Pakistani rupees ($165).
Reports said Mr Raj and his 24-year-old wife Shahzina Tariq appeared shocked by the verdict.
"We appeal to President Musharraf to intervene. Mr Musharraf is talking about moderation and enlightenment. We hope he will do something for us," Mr Raj said.
'Against Islam'
Earlier, the couple told the court that they had got married so that the wife could avoid an arranged marriage.
The bride's father wants to annul the wedding on the grounds that it is against Islam for two women to marry.
But the couple argue that they married to protect the bride from being sold into marriage to pay off her uncle's gambling debts.
Shahzina Tariq says they are not homosexuals and they married because they are in love.
The two were arrested a fortnight ago after the bride's family complained about the gender of her husband.
SOURCE: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/6697527.stm
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06-03-2007 #2
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Damn, those poor folks were trapped by the system. You are allowed to get sex reassignment surgery, but you cannot actually be legally considered a man. it would be interesting to know what makes you legally a man in Pakistan because it says they did an examination ...genetic testing maybe, but i doubt it. Then the purgery charge seems a bit dubious if in fact they both considered him a man...its not a lie is it? i dont know it seems like revenge or ...vengeance. Ah just some more suck in the world i guess.
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06-03-2007 #3
Yeah I know. It's double standards really. Imagine what m to f transgenders go through in Pakistan?
Sad.
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06-04-2007 #4
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It's not trans-related, but it's quite reminiscent of a case this week in Malaysia where a couple is prohibited from marrying because (a) it's illegal for Muslims & Christians to marry, and also (b) the religious court won't allow recognition that the woman has converted from Islam to Christianity. I do feel sorry for people who live in religious-run countries.
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06-04-2007 #5
Ugh! Isnt it sad to be denied basic human rights just because you were born with the wrong body parts?
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06-04-2007 #6
There's so much more crap going worth worrying about.. and they get hung up on a married couple.
I love when state and religion breed. The stupidity produced makes Rain Man seem like Stephen Hawking.
Hmm... maybe later.
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06-04-2007 #7
Wow... That's all I can say really. That, and that I'm not surprised that this is happening in that part of the world. I mean, there's a long way to go here as well, but to throw people in jail...
Then again, that's not exactly unimaginable here, now is it?
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06-04-2007 #8
Makes one think were still somewhat lucky we dont live in those countries huh?
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06-04-2007 #9Originally Posted by Hara_Juku Tgirl
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in Texas
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in Florida
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Sad, but true.
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06-04-2007 #10Originally Posted by Felicia Katt
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