Photography Question From An Amateur

[GroobyKrissy]

Ok, not trying to butt in, or put in my 2 cents of photography knowledge in, as I know as much as I asked from Jamie.

But the way you had your OP, sounded like you wanted needed advice to "better" your production output and expand your knowledge/curiosity of taking better photos.

And springing from it you got several people adept in photography give you their advice. Most everyone has given about the same advice, quite literally.

Jamie stated her advice, which is great advice and according to what you asked, it pretty much answered your question. The problem is...

The way you "came back"/"answered" advice is that you don't want to change anything on your camera and basically disregarded the most given advice of "lighting".

I don't see how you read her replies as "combative". She gave you advice, really good advice, which you chose not to use because you "don't feel like it". You replied to her in a "combative/offensive" way thinking she was being a dick. Looks to me that the way you are taking her advice is incorrect.

It perturbed Jamie ( as well as myself, didn't want to say anything until now when I keep seeing you "attack" Jamie ) because you disregarded it and came back at her with sass, as well as "appearing/sounding" like you don't want to do the "work" to improve your work. I.E. Change the setting on the camera and improve lighting, among other things.

That is what I read and see. I don't understand why one wouldn't want to improve by ( regardless of interest levels in photography ) changing settings. Just as Jamie and a few others here have said...You are not going to find that a camera's "auto-settings" are going to give you the answers. Hence, use manual, watch the tutorial vids posted.

Also, if you wanted this "thread" to be more of an "open" thing for anyone, perhaps your OP should've been worded openly, not pertaining to your particular issue.

That said, I hope you realize Jamie isn't being a "dick". She was just annoyed that you aren't going the lengths to improve your photography ( regardless of your level of interest in photography ).

That's like getting advice, and saying "I don't want to put in the extra effort/time into it because I want a camera that will give me what I want right then", and you aren't going to find a camera that does that...you have to tinker with it and without the extra effort, the advice you got from everyone here won't mean shit. That's what Jamie has been saying.

First of all, if you're not:
"Ok, not trying to butt in..." Then don't.

Second of all, I expected as much. It seems that the two of you are are like children, each not able to let the other defend themselves or represent themselves without coming in and "rescuing" the other. Honestly, grow up and fight your own battles... that goes for both of you.

Eva, as with Jamie, I have stayed out of threads critiquing you in any way. AGAIN, as with Jamie, I ask that you do the same.

However, since you raised the points and have shown that you wish to engage and play out the logic... HERE YOU GO, points answered as posted in your reply.

Since you so closely follow Jamie's threads, you know that she jumped all over Tate07 for his input into her threads. Tate07 is a new poster, and I dislike someone's first impression of the people here to be one of absolute incivility. THAT is why the thread was started... I even pretty much stated as much in the OP... mentioning him BY NAME. I work in promotions. Part of that IS engaging here, creating threads, having fun with people, and etc. That is part of my job... as well as part or just being fun and entertaining for me. So, the intent of the thread was NOT to become an expert in photography as you assume. And, even if there was ANY confusion as to that point, I had already stated the goals in my starting the thread plainly BEFORE Jamie's irritating response.

PLEASE STATE / QUOTE FOR ME WHERE I:
"The way you "came back"/"answered" advice is that you don't want to change anything on your camera and basically disregarded the most given advice of "lighting". "

In fact, I thanked her for her input. All other subsequent questions / posts by me had nothing at all to do with lighting, nor did I even bring that subject up again. I engaged those who I had further questions for, and did not reply to the rest. So, you're in fact... COMPLETELY WRONG about that. Demonstrate to me otherwise.

I never used the term "combative" at all. I said she was being a dick... and she was. Honestly, Eva, if the exact same thing was written in the exact same manner to either you or Jamie... YOU BOTH WOULD BE UP IN A TIZZY. That is just fact from pretty much any previous conversation involving either of you that has gotten heated.

Notice how the two of you never respond to an actual accusation... you just move on and do the same thing. I laid out a clear case as to why her statements in the reply were condescending and snobbish... WHICH WERE NOT ADDRESSED AT ALL BY YOU OR HER. Instead, all I got was another backhand basically calling me lazy. That is a really grown up way to respond.

And here is the question... WHAT IN GOD'S GREEN EARTH DOES IT MATTER IF I TAKE ANY ADVICE GIVEN BY ANYONE TO YOU OR TO JAMIE? You say: "It perturbed Jamie ( as well as myself, didn't want to say anything until now when I keep seeing you "attack" Jamie ) because you disregarded it and came back at her with sass, as well as "appearing/sounding" like you don't want to do the "work" to improve your work. I.E. Change the setting on the camera and improve lighting, among other things."

How in the world is it any of your business what advice I take or what advice I disregard? Why in the world should that even matter at all to either you or Jamie? How are you or she the arbiter AT ALL of how I interact with people here or who's advice I respond to or who I don't respond to at all? WHY SHOULD THAT MATTER AT ALL TO YOU?

Eva... CLEARLY you haven't read the thread in it's entirety. I HAVE STATED NUMEROUS TIMES NOW that the intent of the thread was to start conversation about photography, pick up a couple tips, AND HELP WELCOME someone to the forum who got a pretty bad impression here. People are much more apt to respond when they believe they are sharing knowledge / information, as the numerous responses have correctly demonstrated. It is "gracious" and "becoming" to be nice to people in your first interaction with them.

I could have just said in the OP, "Hey all. I'm writing this thread because Jamie jumped all over Tate07 and I want him to NOT feel that everyone here is a total jerk. So, I invented this thread because I noticed he was interested in photography and maybe I can pick up a few pointers, and maybe some others of you and Tate07 can talk about photography." But, that would not be "becoming" and I wouldn't think of calling someone out, that I work with, like that. So, I did it tactfully... which obviously worked as it seems you both seem to think it was me actually wanting to become a professional photographer with the advice from one thread... on a porn forum.

AGAIN... WHAT IN GOD'S GREEN EARTH DOES IT MATTER TO EITHER YOU AND JAMIE IF I'M GOING TO GREAT LENGTHS, NO LENGTHS OR ANY LENGTHS TO IMPROVE MY PHOTOGRAPHY? How is that even pertinent to you or her AT ALL? The fact is, You, Jamie, and Franklin are pretty much the same. Hard to hear, I know. You all think you have the corner on what is right. At the core, that is what the majority of your / her / his arguments come down to: I have an opinion and if anyone doesn't agree with my opinion, they are wrong and need to come around to my point of view.

You are making the incorrect assumption that I haven't listened to anything anybody said or am not taking it into consideration. The FACT is that I thanked those (including Jamie) for their input. I have already stated that the goals of the thread were met. I got a few tips, people got to show off their photography knowledge, and as Tate07 has already said, he felt welcomed.

Again, Eva / Jamie, I'll ask you. If for nothing other than professional courtesy, let's agree to steer clear of each other. I haven't engaged in threads critiquing either of you, although I could easily have done so and taken them apart (and no, I'm not going to point out where). The both of you are highly irrational at times and that is fine. You interact with your Fans the way you want. I could care less since I don't see myself as the arbiter of of that issue. All I ask is that you extend to me the same courtesy.

[GroobyKrissy]

LOL...and now seeing this...means that you don't want to improve your effort level. And that apparently this thread isn't for "everybody" otherwise you wouldn't have said this.

So if this thread gets deleted, then no one can learn from the advice given....like how you kept saying, you "intended" it for...which reading and re-reading each page shows that that wasn't the case.

You're kidding, right? THIS is your big, "GOTCHA"?

I didn't ask that the thread be DELETED. I asked that it be closed because I knew sooner or later you would show up to come rescue your girlfriend. And I knew I would respond. And on and on and on. We both have better things to do and a mod CLOSING the thread would just let this die down quietly.

THINK BEFORE YOU TYPE... especially if you're going to try and have a "GOTCHA" moment and end up looking like a complete fool.

[EvaCassini]

why are you getting sassy and catty? i don't see/understand what it's accomplishing.

And by the way...we aren't the ones acting like children hun.

[Jamie French]

Krissy, I'm not basically calling you lazy. I'm flat out calling you lazy, (in your photographic efforts. Other aspects of your work are beyond the scope of this thread.) You are also passive aggressive to the nth degree if you were starting a thread about photography, not to learn a thing or two about the craft, but to defend a first time poster under an overwrought pretense. Obviously you woke up on the wrong side of the bed when you initially started this thread so I won't hold your bad attitude against ya.

Pro-tip: Try saying more with less. It's easier on the eyes.

[GroobyKrissy]

Krissy, I'm not basically calling you lazy. I'm flat out calling you lazy, (in your photographic efforts. Other aspects of your work are beyond the scope of this thread.) You are also passive aggressive to the nth degree if you were starting a thread about photography, not to learn a thing or two about the craft, but to defend a first time poster under an overwrought pretense. Obviously you woke up on the wrong side of the bed when you initially started this thread so I won't hold your bad attitude against ya.

Pro-tip: Try saying more with less. It's easier on the eyes.

OK... so I will flat out call you lazy too. Because you can't read an entire thread before you open your big mouth.

Passive / aggressive? Good lord. Take a look in the mirror.

You just don't understand. I wasn't "DEFENDING" anybody. I was creating a space where he could have some input and feel welcome. Defending would be if I actually posted in your thread calling you out for being such a jackass. I know you're too lazy to pick up a damn dictionary... but c'mon... DEFEND... pretty easy to define.

OK... I will flat out call you stupid too since your reading comprehension skills are equal to that of a six-year old... and that is giving the six year old a lot of credit.

Short enough for you?

[GroobyKrissy]

why are you getting sassy and catty? i don't see/understand what it's accomplishing.

And by the way...we aren't the ones acting like children hun.

LoL... yeah... no response to the "delete thread" post you made, eh?

Like I said, you and Jamie... take no responsibility... just move on and blame everyone else.

[EvaCassini]

So.....you then resort to name-calling and shouting out false accusations and assumptions???

[GroobyKrissy]

why are you getting sassy and catty? i don't see/understand what it's accomplishing.

And by the way...we aren't the ones acting like children hun.

Again Eva... I ask you this:

PLEASE STATE / QUOTE FOR ME WHERE I:
"The way you "came back"/"answered" advice is that you don't want to change anything on your camera and basically disregarded the most given advice of "lighting". "

You can't. So you deflect. This is your entire MO in discussions. You throw things out there that you can't back up. Then, instead, you either sit back and wait for Jamie to come along and just cuss someone out, cuss them out yourself, or just deflect to something else.

I asked you a specific question. Give me the answer or else admit you're just defending your girlfriend for the sake of that. If that is the case, then fine. I understand that.

[GroobyKrissy]

So.....you then resort to name-calling and shouting out false accusations and assumptions???

The name-calling I gave back (implied stupidity).

Give me PRECISELY what is a false accusation?

Give me PRECISELY what is an assumption on my part?

Pose the question and I'll answer it. Believe me Eva, as smart as you think you are, you are WAY out of your league here.

AND AGAIN: Please answer the question... WHY DOES IT MATTER TO EITHER OF YOU WHAT ADVICE I TAKE OR NOT...WHAT PHOTOGRAPHY SKILLS I IMPROVE ON OR NOT? Why should that matter to you at all and give you a reason to be "perturbed"?

[GroobyKrissy]

So.....you then resort to name-calling and shouting out false accusations and assumptions???

Yeah... you're well accustomed to using sarcasm... yet can't recognize it when someone else uses it? Your reading comprehension skills are even worse than Jamie's.