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07-23-2012 #191
Re: Mass Shooting at DK premiere in CO!
That right there negates the majority of what followed. The CAUSE of a crime....to be honest, I don't recall a criminal ever answering the question "Why'd you do it?" with "Because I had a gun of course.". Holding a gun doesn't cause a person to suddenly want to commit a crime. The TRUE causes for crimes are much deeper in the majority of cases. Which is actually why I dislike all the gun opposition in this thread, the focus that SHOULD be placed on the real cause is all being thrown into a gun debate. It takes understanding, empathy, insight, and a mentality unclouded by hate in order to weed through the facts and find a true cause for a case such as this.
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07-23-2012 #192
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Re: Mass Shooting at DK premiere in CO!
Maybe all the people who hate guns so much should grow a fucking pair and just say what they SHOULD be saying if they're truly so afraid. ALL guns should be abolished.
I don't recall a criminal ever answering the question "Why'd you do it?" with "Because I had a gun of course.".
"...I no longer believe that people's secrets are defined and communicable, or their feelings full-blown and easy to recognize."_Alice Munro, Chaddeleys and Flemings.
"...the order in creation which you see is that which you have put there, like a string in a maze, so that you shall not lose your way". _Judge Holden, Cormac McCarthy's, BLOOD MERIDIAN.
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07-23-2012 #193
Re: Mass Shooting at DK premiere in CO!
Can we all agree putting an instrument that causes mass damage in the hands of a person so damaged(perception or reality) is never sound strategy?
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07-23-2012 #194
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Re: Mass Shooting at DK premiere in CO!
Yes, of course. But how does someone in a shop determine if the person who wants to buy is a mass murderer? Psychopaths by definition can conceal the simmering hatred and violence in them, and appear to be cool, calm, and collected. I think this is why the issue of regulation is more important than the debate on ownership in the USA. There are probably more people organised to promote or oppose gay marriage than are united for gun control. It is and has been one of the most intractable issues in the US that I can think of.
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07-23-2012 #195
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Re: Mass Shooting at DK premiere in CO!
Can I suggest you look at the figures and explanations for the decline in gun-related crimes in Washington DC since the 1990s? A key cause of such crimes was the crack cocaine epidemic and turf wars among the dealers. One part of the decline was harsh policing; but another was the generation who watched their parents and elders getting shot when zonked out of their brains who decided to 'just say no' -thus the market for crack cocaine declined, and with it the gun-related crime: cause and effect. Has gun ownership in Washington DC declined? I don't know, but its use in crime does seem to have.
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07-23-2012 #196
Re: Mass Shooting at DK premiere in CO!
Accidents happen, if you mess around with ANY potentially lethal device the results are gonna be the same. The route problem right there is uneducated stupidity. If your going to have a weapon in your home, you secure it, and if you have children, you inform them of the severity that comes with such an ownership. There should never be an excuse such as "We were messing around with a loaded weapon.", not because if the gun was never there it wouldn't have happened, but because the owner and/or the person doing the fooling around obviously failed in life as inteligent and responsible human beings.
As for crimes of passion and temporary insanity, once again, I agree that in a number of cases there would be times when the ease of using a firearm would increase the chances of the crime to be commited, but it's impossible to say for sure that in the majority of such instances a person would not turn to a less effective weapon if they were already at the point to take another's life. And to me, the vast majority of such plea's are thinly veiled attempts to disregard personal liablity. People ALLOW themselves to be taken away by rage and fear and other emotions in most of those cases. Just because you allow your mind to act instead of think, doesn't mean you were incapable of thought. In times of stress and turmoil, people tend to give in and block out judgement. A choice made subconciously is still a decision reached upon by the individual, it is a part of them, not some temporary madness that infected them and then left.
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07-23-2012 #197
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07-23-2012 #198
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Re: Mass Shooting at DK premiere in CO!
Maybe the problem is how we deal with, or ignore dealing with, mental illness in the U.S.
The gunman who shot at Rep. Giffords in Tuscon, AZ, the gunman who shot up Virginia Tech, and this guy were all mentally ill. (And this guy even went to a Medical School, which all have Psychiatrists on staff.)
Everybody realized these men were troubled. They all should have been under psychiatric care. For their own good. Gun Permits are not an absolute right, even in the most 'gun friendly' parts of the U.S. They are never given to people who are mentally ill. The most devout 'gun advocates' don't think mentally ill people should possess firearms.
So why not create a better system to report mentally ill people so they can't get gun licenses? Create some kind of 'psychiatric hold' that shows up on the background check. Or to pull the permit from somebody who already has one.
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07-23-2012 #199
Re: Mass Shooting at DK premiere in CO!
That's actually kind of along the lines of what I was trying to point out. In that situation the crack is the actual cause of the gun crime, not the guns themselves. If all the energy that was focused by the citizens and the police was on getting rid of guns and not the crack, the true cause behind the crime would still be prevailent.
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07-23-2012 #200
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Re: Mass Shooting at DK premiere in CO!
Accidents happen, if you mess around with ANY potentially lethal device the results are gonna be the same.
As for crimes of passion and temporary insanity, once again, I agree that in a number of cases there would be times when the ease of using a firearm would increase the chances of the crime to be commited
"...I no longer believe that people's secrets are defined and communicable, or their feelings full-blown and easy to recognize."_Alice Munro, Chaddeleys and Flemings.
"...the order in creation which you see is that which you have put there, like a string in a maze, so that you shall not lose your way". _Judge Holden, Cormac McCarthy's, BLOOD MERIDIAN.
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