Fuck You AVN!

[GroobySteven]

One note on cams. The highest performing Imlive model is currently a TS. Imlive are very happy with their tgirl cams which is why THEY (not AVN) made the decision to give the Best TS Model a prize of a diamond, at the AVN Awards as well as the Best Female and Best Male Performers, despite some people not wanting that to happen.

http://www.tgirl-cams.com

[Ecstatic]

Zzzzz. I've heard this for the past few years yet we've just had an awesome year with good growth. Shitty paysites, poorly run businesses and lazy webmasters have had their day. Companies who continue to please their customers, to change with the times, to fight piracy of their content and to produce quality content can still flourish. Which is why Grooby is shooting more scenes a month than ever before.

True that. But it does make it harder for us smaller companies to compete in the market. Not that the UP Network is giving up: quite the contrary, we're working harder than ever to offer the best quality content we can.

[Ecstatic]

Somehow I don't think there's a lot of congressional interest in breaking up porn monopolies. They have better things to not do.

~BB~

Well said, Bella!

[Genetic]

Ok, I promise to not make any further attempts at intelligent conversation...

There seems to be a component of this that you're not quite getting and I'm not sure why. If we simplify it and break it down hopefully it'll make sense -

1. I set up 30 tube sites with content stolen from premium sites.

2. Users start uploading to my tube sites.

3. My sites then start to get hits of around let's say for argument's sake 1 million each site per month.

4. Each advertiser pays half a cent for each hit and I have 5 advertisers on each site. 5 advertisers x 1 million hits x .5 cent = $250,000. Multiply that by 30 sites and I'm now making $7.5 million per month.

5. The sites I'm stealing from start to lose revenue because I'm giving their content away for free.

6. I start setting up online dating sites, mail order stores and other misc businesses. This gives me further profits while the sites I'm targeting are starting to struggle.

7. I then start buying my competition because their business model is no longer profitable. They can't generate new content and charge for it cause I've been stealing it and so it has no value.

8. I remove all that site's content from my tubes and start advertising the pay site on all the tubes. With exclusivity restored, the value of the pay site's brand goes back up.

9. People will start to go to the pay site if they cannot get what they want for free. Sounds ridiculous but it will happen especially if I put truncated scenes in low res on my tube sites.

10. Rinse and repeat.

Now those figures are all invented and oversimplified but that is essentially how it works.

While there are a lot of tech savvy people who will go and torrent porn or visit tube sites, there are still huge numbers of people who are very paranoid about getting "porn advertising viruses" etc on their PCs and will use pay sites rather than torrent. The whole thing is basically tricking your customers into thinking they have free choice and that they can get things for free when in reality, everything they do is putting money into your pocket.

[RallyCola]

There seems to be a component of this that you're not quite getting and I'm not sure why. If we simplify it and break it down hopefully it'll make sense -

1. I set up 30 tube sites with content stolen from premium sites.

2. Users start uploading to my tube sites.

3. My sites then start to get hits of around let's say for argument's sake 1 million each site per month.

4. Each advertiser pays half a cent for each hit and I have 5 advertisers on each site. 5 advertisers x 1 million hits x .5 cent = $250,000. Multiply that by 30 sites and I'm now making $7.5 million per month.

5. The sites I'm stealing from start to lose revenue because I'm giving their content away for free.

6. I start setting up online dating sites, mail order stores and other misc businesses. This gives me further profits while the sites I'm targeting are starting to struggle.

7. I then start buying my competition because their business model is no longer profitable. They can't generate new content and charge for it cause I've been stealing it and so it has no value.

8. I remove all that site's content from my tubes and start advertising the pay site on all the tubes. With exclusivity restored, the value of the pay site's brand goes back up.

9. People will start to go to the pay site if they cannot get what they want for free. Sounds ridiculous but it will happen especially if I put truncated scenes in low res on my tube sites.

10. Rinse and repeat.

Now those figures are all invented and oversimplified but that is essentially how it works.

While there are a lot of tech savvy people who will go and torrent porn or visit tube sites, there are still huge numbers of people who are very paranoid about getting "porn advertising viruses" etc on their PCs and will use pay sites rather than torrent. The whole thing is basically tricking your customers into thinking they have free choice and that they can get things for free when in reality, everything they do is putting money into your pocket.

yes but then i will open my own kick ass tube site and steal your content!

[Nikka]

Fuck youuuuuuuuuuu

[garypeters123]

Re: Fuck You AVN!

[garypeters123]

Why don't you guys band together and go after Manwin? Take some of the million$ you made and approach it like a Manhattan project like Hollywood did with Dotcom.

Heck, it may cost $100 Million but that is a small fraction of the money the porn tycoons rake in.

Hire a former attorney general or some-such rainmaker and do what you have to do.

I know the 1st step I would take because the industry I am involved took a shellacking from crooked disrupters but we prevailed in the end. It took about 6 years.

[nysprod]

there seems to be a component of this that you're not quite getting and i'm not sure why. If we simplify it and break it down hopefully it'll make sense

Not any of my business...I have no opinion on that...Moving on