Boston Marathon

[notdrunk]

Just FYI, Hitler was a devout Catholic all his days. I don't mind taking shit for the actual atheists, keep the religious headbangers to yourself though.

Just FYI, the Nazis sent Catholic clergymen to the camps. +2,000 died in those camps. There was special barracks for priests at Dachau. If Hitler was a devout Catholic, those clergymen wouldn't been sent to their deaths.

[Stavros]

Matthew White has compiled a directory of mass murders in history; a lot must depend on how one calculates the deaths caused by the famine caused by The Great Leap Forward in China (1958-61) -if one were to add the people killed in the wars against the Japanese and the Guomindang -vs-Communists between the mid-1930s and 1940s, the figure for Chinese murdered/killed/died in conflict could top 50 million but that pales into insignificance besides the Black Death which not only slaughtered up to 200 million, but in percentage terms devastated Europe in the 14th century, but not 'man made' although malpractice in terms of public hygiene would have contributed to a lot of deaths.

White's book is called Atrocitology:
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[MacShreach]

Just FYI, the Nazis sent Catholic clergymen to the camps. +2,000 died in those camps. There was special barracks for priests at Dachau. If Hitler was a devout Catholic, those clergymen wouldn't been sent to their deaths.

In Hitler's OWN WORDS!!!

“I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty
Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord’s work.”

[Adolph Hitler, Speech, Reichstag, 1936]

There are numerous other quotes from Hitler's speeches and letters, eg this:

“I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so”

[Adolph Hitler, to Gen. Gerhard Engel, 1941]

and also his writing, eg Mein Kampf:

“I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.”

[Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp. 46]

(http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2...otes-he-was-q/)

Also, according to Hitler's chief architect Albert Speer, Hitler remained a formal member of the Catholic church until his death and even ordered his chief associates to remain members Albert Speer .Inside the Third Reich: Memoirs. New York: Simon and Schuster(1997)

Also see; The Religion of Hitler, JPM Murphy 1988


Now, I didn't say that he was a good Catholic; that would have been impossible. But he did believe he was Catholic, or at least profess to be devout as one. His killing of Catholic clergy was not because of their religion, but was purely political; they had been helping Jews to escape his campaign of terror.


So when you have chopped up your hat nicely and eaten it, you might consider revising your above statement. I'm done on this one, case proven.

[trish]

The Judeo-Christian-Islamic God wiped out the entire human race save Noah and his family. Of course that's not true, but fundies everywhere applaud this appalling act, and masturbate over the fantasy that they too might someday be privileged to restock the Earth after Heaven takes its vengeance upon the non-believers.

[dderek123]

^ Yep. What a fucked up dogma.



Oppression is the holy law
In God, I distrust
In time, His monuments will fall
Like ashes to dust

Is war and greed the master plan?
The Bible's where it all began
Its propaganda sells despair
And spreads the virus everywhere

Religion is hate
Religion is fear
Religion is war
Religion is rape
Religion's obscene
Religion's a whore

The pestilence is Jesus Christ
There never was a sacrifice
No man upon the crucifix
Beware the cult of purity
Infectious imbecility
I've made my choice, 666

Corruption breeds the pedophile
Don't pray for the priest
Confession finds the lonely child
God preys on the weak

You think your soul can still be saved
I think you're fucking miles away
Scream out loud, here's where you begin
Forgive me, Father, for I have sinned

Religion is hate
Religion is fear
Religion is war
Religion is rape
Religion's obscene
Religion's a whore

The target's fucking Jesus Christ
I would've lead the sacrifice
And nailed Him to the crucifix
Beware the cult of purity
Infectious imbecility
I've made my choice, 666

Jesus is pain
Jesus is gore
Jesus is the blood
That's spilled in war

He's everything
He's all things dead
He's pulling on the trigger
Pointed at your head

Through fear you're sold into the fraud
Revelation, revolution
I see through your Christ illusion

The war on terror just drags along
My war with God is growing strong
His propaganda sells despair
And spreads the violence everywhere

Religion is hate
Religion is fear
Religion is war
Religion is rape
Religion's obscene
Religion's a whore

There is no fucking Jesus Christ
There never was a sacrifice
No man upon the crucifix
Beware the cult of purity
Infectious imbecility
I've made my choice, 666

[Dino Velvet]

^ Yep. What a fucked up dogma.



Oppression is the holy law
In God, I distrust
In time, His monuments will fall
Like ashes to dust

Is war and greed the master plan?
The Bible's where it all began
Its propaganda sells despair
And spreads the virus everywhere

Religion is hate
Religion is fear
Religion is war
Religion is rape
Religion's obscene
Religion's a whore

The pestilence is Jesus Christ
There never was a sacrifice
No man upon the crucifix
Beware the cult of purity
Infectious imbecility
I've made my choice, 666

Corruption breeds the pedophile
Don't pray for the priest
Confession finds the lonely child
God preys on the weak

You think your soul can still be saved
I think you're fucking miles away
Scream out loud, here's where you begin
Forgive me, Father, for I have sinned

Religion is hate
Religion is fear
Religion is war
Religion is rape
Religion's obscene
Religion's a whore

The target's fucking Jesus Christ
I would've lead the sacrifice
And nailed Him to the crucifix
Beware the cult of purity
Infectious imbecility
I've made my choice, 666

Jesus is pain
Jesus is gore
Jesus is the blood
That's spilled in war

He's everything
He's all things dead
He's pulling on the trigger
Pointed at your head

Through fear you're sold into the fraud
Revelation, revolution
I see through your Christ illusion

The war on terror just drags along
My war with God is growing strong
His propaganda sells despair
And spreads the violence everywhere

Religion is hate
Religion is fear
Religion is war
Religion is rape
Religion's obscene
Religion's a whore

There is no fucking Jesus Christ
There never was a sacrifice
No man upon the crucifix
Beware the cult of purity
Infectious imbecility
I've made my choice, 666

I remember watching that Rollins show. RIP Jeff

[BrassVillanueva]

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Ah ... so if only that four year old had been properly trained. The availability/existence of the weapon in the first place had nothing to with it?

Thankfully, we're each entitled to our own opinions.

Hey, you know what? I grew up in a house FULL of guns. I learned darn near from birth that you always treat a gun as if it's loaded, and weekly target practice and trap shooting as a family taught me just what harm a firearm is capable of.

The availability or existence of such weapons is irrelevant. You don't blame the existence of the printing press for typos, do you? That, again, is a ridiculous assertion and a logical fallacy.

[trish]

I too grew up in a household (in rural Pennsylvania) and learned to hunt at an early age. I too learned that you always treat a gun as loaded and never to let the muzzle pass across another person. Everyone learns that. They're are so drilled into us they are cliches. Yet hunters, police and others with experience and training (who surely will tell they learned the same practices until they became second nature) have accidentally injured themselves or others with firearms.

Even professional secretaries make typos and transcription errors. So too those well trained and experienced with firearms still have accidents.

Yes indeed, there are more typos in the world then ever before. Why? Because more people write. Why? In part because writing tools, are more available than ever before (and there are more opportunities and reasons to write). Nobody worries about typos 'cause they're rarely lethal. It's logical, the more people typing, the more typos there are going to be. Equally, the more people handing firearms, the more accidental discharges there are going to be.

[surf4490]

Adolf Hitler was raised by a sceptic, anti-clerical father and a devout Catholic mother; he ceased to participate in the sacraments after childhood.[1] Contradictory accounts exist about Adolf Hitler's adult religious views, including his relationship to Christianity and the Catholic church. According to Hitler's chief architect, Albert Speer, Hitler remained a formal member of the Catholic church until his death, and even ordered his chief associates to remain members; however it was Speer's opinion that "he had no real attachment to it

case disproved ! you obviously missed Speer's last statement to mislead

[surf4490]

Prior to the vote for the Enabling Act, Hitler promised the Reichstag on 23 March 1933, that he would not interfere with the rights of the churches. With power secured in Germany, Hitler quickly broke these promises[8][9] He dishonoured a concordat signed with the Vatican and permitted a persecution of the Catholic Church in Germany.[10][12] He divided the Lutheran Church (Germany's main Protestant denomination) and instigated a brutal persecution of the Jehovah's Witnesses.[12] A special Priests Barracks was established at Dachau Concentration Camp for clergy who had opposed the Hitler regime.
Many historians say that Hitler had a general covert plan, which some say existed even before the Nazis' rise to power, to destroy Christianity within the Reich, which was to be accomplished through control and subversion of the churches and to be completed after the war.[6] According to the Encyclopedia Britannica, Hitler believed Christianity and Nazism were "incompatible" and intended to replace Christianity with a "racist form of warrior paganism
Hitler was like all Socialist dictators ,anti religious and used political control of religious groups to further Socialist doctrine .