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Thread: The US Government shutdown
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10-05-2013 #21
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Representative democracy works when you elect people who actually believe in government. The growing fringe right of the GOP don't believe in government, and the Koch brothers who buy all the republican primaries don't believe in democracy. The rest of the GOP is worried they won't keep their seats if the Kochs back their opponent. This entire situation is exacerbated by the current practice of gerrymandering and the Citizens United decision which allows just a handful of exorbitantly wealthy people to buy elections and maintain power for decades at a time. Meanwhile, the GOP has a shuttle bus taking them out to the WWII memorial for photo-ops.
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"...I no longer believe that people's secrets are defined and communicable, or their feelings full-blown and easy to recognize."_Alice Munro, Chaddeleys and Flemings.
"...the order in creation which you see is that which you have put there, like a string in a maze, so that you shall not lose your way". _Judge Holden, Cormac McCarthy's, BLOOD MERIDIAN.
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10-05-2013 #22
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People STILL blame Obama...and they will continue to. Hell, they blamed Obama for that chick running the barricade recently...
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10-05-2013 #23
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2 out of 2 members liked this post."...I no longer believe that people's secrets are defined and communicable, or their feelings full-blown and easy to recognize."_Alice Munro, Chaddeleys and Flemings.
"...the order in creation which you see is that which you have put there, like a string in a maze, so that you shall not lose your way". _Judge Holden, Cormac McCarthy's, BLOOD MERIDIAN.
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10-05-2013 #24
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I suppose the point to be made here is that this isn't how democracy works, at least in most pluralist developed nations. The founding fathers, in their well-meaning wisdom and in their understandable desire to avoid the imposition of tyranny ever again, introduced a system involving checks and balances on executive power which, if manipulated by a cynical opposition, would prevent legislation being passed. That's where the US is now. It's utterly sclerotic. No other western democracy is so hogtied or subject to the whims of an extremist few.
Is it time to look at the Constitution? And I ask the question as an admirer and supporter of American democracy, but seriously, you can't go on this way.
Although it's interesting - if not surprising (where's the sarcastic smiley?) - that these crises always seem to arise when there's a democrat in the White House.....
But pleasures are like poppies spread
You seize the flow'r, the bloom is shed
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10-05-2013 #25
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10-05-2013 #26
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" Since it has past I have read many stories of how people have liked ACA because of the treatment and or costs they have been receiving. Also since October 1st I have read at least 2-4 articles about very conservative republicans who hate Obamacare and then did a complete 180 after receiving care under it, and the costs that they have to pay."
Not sure where you read that? No one has received treatment under ACA yet.
You can enroll in the plans Starting October 1st but coverage does not begin until January 1st 2014.
Here is my experience with ACA and with the New York Exchange so far. I have not yet enrolled but will. I will wait for the "glitches" to be corrected. I am in no rush since the coverage does not begin until January 1. If my only goal is to merely avoid the penalty (1% of taxable income in 2014 going up to 2.5% in later years) then I have until March 15 or March 31st to enroll and avoid the penalty
I lost my current insurance plan( Aetna left New York).
I lost my current docter ( but she is 63 and would lose her soon enough anyway)
My ESTIMATED insurance premiums under the bronze plan will DECREASE by 8-10% from my former insurance plan
My deductible went up By $1,000
I do not qualify for a subsidy
I am now covered for certain types of treatment that I was not covered for before.
My max out of pocket for medical costs decreased from $10,000 to $6,350.
Those are my experiences so far with NY Exchange. No lies , no scare tactics.On another site some was saying how little money they make and that they don't qualify for a subsidy. Well that is true, however what he left out was that he qualified for Medicaid. Heaven forbid both sides have an honest debate to truly find out if its workable and the costs involved.
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10-07-2013 #27
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I did not mean that they were receiving treatment through it I meant that once they learned what was in it that they started to love it. After all of the 'DEATH PANELS' and other scare tactics, once they actually learn what is in ACA they want it, and when they learn that it is Obamacare they seem to stop calling it that as well.
I have read these stories mostly on ThinkProgress.org. I completely understand that the ACA is not a perfect law, but at least it is a step in the right direction, when a person from what we consider a 'third world nation' says she can not under stand how the US can't have healthcare for all you really need to start to think about what our priorities are. I agree if people would just tell the facts and not resort to scare tactics and let the people make up their own minds. When you can't win legitimately CHEAT!
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10-08-2013 #28
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10-08-2013 #29
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The US is on Cruz control... and likely to crash and burn as a result.
Wake up the remaining moderate Republicans and Boehner.... you're letting the lunatics runn your country towards a catastrophe
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10-08-2013 #30
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"Every nation gets the government it deserves."
- Joseph de Maistre
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