The FAST Approaching Gun Ban

[buttslinger]

Many of you are living up to your WCA claim.

1)What is a WCA claim?
2) If you pull the trigger with the safety on and it fires, that means the gun is broken and that was the point.

[Loud Love]

It was a topic of interest so I started at the beginning. I started on the last the page and it turned out to be a bitch match about abortion at the time. I didn't get too far into the thread, so will have to pick it back up latter. I am simply not in agreement with many of you on this topic. Several posts so far that I disliked are simple in disagreement so no rebutal was given, not to mention older posts. It's not like we're going to change each other's minds on the topic and I do have better things to do than pointlessly bitching back and forth.

Banning a certain weapon does little to change a person's mentality, which is where the real problem lies. Just search for knife assaults in China and other countries, both communist and not, where the deranged always finds an alternative weapon.

[Loud Love]

I was refering to your borderline which was not called for and written in haste.

Then two safeties were broken is my claim. Just sounds unlikely.

[Stavros]

It was a topic of interest so I started at the beginning. I started on the last the page and it turned out to be a bitch match about abortion at the time. I didn't get too far into the thread, so will have to pick it back up latter. I am simply not in agreement with many of you on this topic. Several posts so far that I disliked are simple in disagreement so no rebutal was given, not to mention older posts. It's not like we're going to change each other's minds on the topic and I do have better things to do than pointlessly bitching back and forth.

Banning a certain weapon does little to change a person's mentality, which is where the real problem lies. Just search for knife assaults in China and other countries, both communist and not, where the deranged always finds an alternative weapon.

Setting aside the abortion debate, I think a point worth making is that guns make killing easier, be it deliberate or accidental, and that more people can be killed in one incident by pulling a trigger than by knives. Moreover, the gun distances the killer from the victim and to that extent removes the emotional impact of the crime. I suspect that if US policemen did not carry guns, probably most of the victims of police shootings -regardless of the colour of their skin- would have been apprehended by other means. Character undoubtedly plays a part, as does spur of the moment rage in an otherwise calm person, but without the gun the death may not be predictable, and it is not just the ease with which guns are available in the USA, but their variety and also additional weapons -does an American really need to take a hand-grenade to Walmart, and pack a Kalashnikov in the back seat of his -or her- car? It is not as if the USA is convulsed in civil war.

[broncofan]

It was a topic of interest so I started at the beginning. I started on the last the page and it turned out to be a bitch match about abortion at the time. I didn't get too far into the thread, so will have to pick it back up latter. I am simply not in agreement with many of you on this topic. Several posts so far that I disliked are simple in disagreement so no rebutal was given, not to mention older posts. It's not like we're going to change each other's minds on the topic and I do have better things to do than pointlessly bitching back and forth.

Banning a certain weapon does little to change a person's mentality, which is where the real problem lies. Just search for knife assaults in China and other countries, both communist and not, where the deranged always finds an alternative weapon.

Better things to do than respond, but not better than to read pages worth of posts that are several years old and then give a negative vote for twenty of them belonging to one person.

As has been written dozens of times in this thread (and you will probably eventually encounter in your excursion through it), when you have a weapon that is very efficient at killing, you are more likely to achieve your aim when you attempt killing. It is also much easier to kill someone without putting much thought into it, just by pulling the trigger because someone has enraged you. I understand that some people want a gun for self-defense in their homes, but the belief that every day presents a unique challenge to your ability to defend your family and this special and paranoid attachment to weapons, is tough to understand. Gun control measures are intended to prevent certain types of weapons from getting into the hands of felons and people with very serious mental illness. Why is that such a bad thing?

[trish]

The very day 20 primary school children and six adults were murdered by a single gunman at the Sandy Hook School in Connecticut, a knife wielding lunatic stabbed 23 three primary school children at a school in Chenpeng Village in China. None of the latter died.

[martin48]

Don't really know we got on to abortion (but I must be more careful in putting down my thoughts as it excites some people). I suppose abortion makes a nice change to talking about all the bastards (who should have been aborted) with their love of weapons.

Do we think we will change people's minds? - well, maybe not yours but some people.

Intentional homicides
China - 10.02 per million
USA - 42.01 per million

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-...d-States/Crime

Facts are always useful

It was a topic of interest so I started at the beginning. I started on the last the page and it turned out to be a bitch match about abortion at the time. I didn't get too far into the thread, so will have to pick it back up latter. I am simply not in agreement with many of you on this topic. Several posts so far that I disliked are simple in disagreement so no rebutal was given, not to mention older posts. It's not like we're going to change each other's minds on the topic and I do have better things to do than pointlessly bitching back and forth.

Banning a certain weapon does little to change a person's mentality, which is where the real problem lies. Just search for knife assaults in China and other countries, both communist and not, where the deranged always finds an alternative weapon.

[buttslinger]

You claim that you're pro-choice. Time to tell us the reasoning that lands you on that side of the fence.

Didn't mean to ignore you, one of my other groups of imaginary friends tanked to the new York football giants, bummed me out.
I brought up abortion to hopefully remind people that while guns kill people, abortions kill people too, although of course they're not really people yet, Lots of people who get killed intentionally by guns are killed justly. Of course it would be good if people didn't shoot people, it would be good if people didn't have abortions either. Speaking as an American rather than a Democrat or Republican, when you attack NRA members about their guns, they tend to clench them more tightly. When you attack people for being pro-choice, they scream that personal rights take precedent over a threatening blastosphere, that's pretty much in the neighborhood of the gun nuts that insist personal rights take precedent over blacks killing blacks in Chicago hoods.
Playing with guns is dangerous, but putting your dick in people's holes is dangerous too. A guy in a dress lecturing gun crazies goes nowhere. But it's good for laughs.

[trish]

I brought up abortion to hopefully remind people that while guns kill people, abortions kill people too, although of course they're not really people

it would be good if people didn't have abortions either.

I don't think I would want to make such a blanket statement which effectively second guesses every woman who does choose to have an abortion and judges her decision as not good. I would rather amend your statement to something like: 'it would be good if women didn't sometimes have to have an abortion."

When you attack people for being pro-choice, they scream that personal rights take precedent over a threatening blastosphere, that's pretty much in the neighborhood of the gun nuts that insist personal rights take precedent over blacks killing blacks in Chicago hoods.

Only if the pro-choice person insisted abortions should be legal regardless of the stage of development (which is similar to the pro-life person claiming all abortions are murder and end a life: they aren't and they don't). I wish you would stop putting me in that category. I want to see abortions appropriately regulated. I don't advocate a blanket ban of all gun. I just want to see more appropriate regulation.

Throughout this discussion you've given a lot of solace to the pro-life stance, but you have yet to answer my question and tell us why you are instead, as you say, pro-choice. How about a post where you give all the positive arguments for your claimed position?

[buttslinger]

Throughout this discussion you've given a lot of solace to the pro-life stance, but you have yet to answer my question and tell us why you are instead, as you say, pro-choice. How about a post where you give all the positive arguments for your claimed position?

Unlike you and Stavros I'm not here to write my college thesis, I'm here for amusement mainly. I hunt and peck at a snail's pace, and yes, I care more about Trish's bullheaded insistence that she's right about everything more than trying to solve all the world's problems. When you're young with the world in your young eyes, it's good to be idealist, and believe you can change the world, when you're old you realize it's mainly vanity. I'll take an hour and post my pro-life beliefs when you take 60 seconds and post your real photograph, Trish. Let's get real and face our fears.