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01-18-2017 #11
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Re: Chelsea Manning -punishment or persecution?
From the New York Times in the last hour-
WASHINGTON — President Obama on Tuesday largely commuted the remaining prison sentence of Chelsea Manning, the army intelligence analyst convicted of an enormous 2010 leak that revealed American military and diplomatic activities across the world, disrupted the administration, and made WikiLeaks, the recipient of those disclosures, famous.
The decision by Mr. Obama rescued Ms. Manning, who twice tried to commit suicide last year, from an uncertain future as a transgender woman incarcerated at the male military prison at Fort Leavenworth, Kan. She has been jailed for nearly seven years, and her 35-year sentence was by far the longest punishment ever imposed in the United States for a leak conviction.
Now, under the terms of Mr. Obama’s commutation announced by the White House on Tuesday, Ms. Manning is set to be freed on May 17 of this year, rather than in 2045.
The commutation also relieved the Department of Defense of the difficult responsibility of her incarceration as she pushes for treatment for her gender dysphoria — including sex reassignment surgery — that the military has no experience providing.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/17/u...T.nav=top-news
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01-18-2017 #12
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chelsea manning
In light of her upcoming availability, http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/...source=copyurl is Grooby scheduling a shoot for May, 2017?
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Re: Chelsea Manning -punishment or persecution?
Ugh....at least that fucker isn't getting any benefits as far as I understand.
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01-19-2017 #15
Re: Chelsea Manning -punishment or persecution?
I dont know about you all, but I stand on two feet.
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01-19-2017 #16
Re: Chelsea Manning -punishment or persecution?
I've come across a lot of trans folks across social media claiming that Manning should get a pass due to "gender dysphoria". Huh? A while back, there was babble about using that argument as a mental defect appeal. And for the most part, the trans community was elated.
WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?
That's like saying trans is a mental illness. That anybody who alters their gender is confused, crazy, and can't be trusted. I think everyone in here should be glad that argument didn't go anywhere. All y'all know it's bullshit.
It's just as much BS to give immunity to someone just because you think you have something in common, or that you understand their thoughts. And it's BS to justify a crime because you disagree with the victim or get all drooling over the rhetorical political theology being spouted by the criminal.
Manning committed espionage with malice aforethought, violating 2 oaths to do it. President Obama says time served is enough. Ok. It's a commutation, not a pardon. Still a convicted felon. Loss of some privileges. No passport. Lots of love/hate mail, marriage proposals, dick pics, & threats. Maybe the 'gofundme' page will afford some income. Maybe not. Watching all this unfold might be entertaining, but there's no other reason to pay it any mind.
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01-19-2017 #17
Re: Chelsea Manning -punishment or persecution?
Come now, surely you aren't suggesting only the good ole USA has inculcated torture 'into the military through the rule book'? This is just the human state of being: when in a position of power - particularly over someone that the majority has condemned - then do your best to do the worst. In fact the savagery just increases the more the person protests about trivial things like their human rights. Clearly you have never experienced either the police, CPS, or judiciary in the first person. I have. The only thing that separates that triumvirate from your run-of-the-mill thug is they are sanctioned by 'we the people' and therefore far less likely to ever wind up behind bars.
On the topic of Chelsea and her crime and punishment: she broke the rules and by doing that willfully placed herself in the hands of her tormentors. However, what she did - regardless of her personal motivations - helped to disclose to the light of day how truly awful a world we live in and how corrupt people in power really are. Ultimately, though, it was a meaningless action as business will go on as usual albeit under better cover. I'm glad she will be released early - in the greater scope of things what she did is substantially less harmful to mankind and even her country than what was being done by those she exposed. I hope the remainder of her life will be spent peacefully.
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01-19-2017 #18
Re: Chelsea Manning -punishment or persecution?
I'm with you on the gender dysphoria thing. Whoever was advising her was clearly more interested in gaining her freedom than being sensitive to the transgender condition. Facing a 35-year imprisonment and particularly of the kind she has been subjected to, I can't say I blame them for trying everything they could think of.
As far as what she did - breaking of oaths and what have you - I think sometimes one should listen to the moral imperative over the laws of the land. I hate to haul out the Nazi reference but it's particularly applicable here. You can't prosecute the SS for NOT refusing to execute their orders but then decide to prosecute and persecute your own soldier for exposing your heinous actions. An enlightened nation would have said thank you to Chelsea Manning.
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