Donald Trump Indicted on 7 Counts

[Fitzcarraldo]

It is one thing to deny the reality of the election result, but something different to then seek the means to prevent the election process from taking place, described in the US Constitution as Sedition, because while Congress does have the right to question outcomes, it cannot do so on a whim, on an argument that has zero evidence to support its claim.

That is why he is being tried. The indictment actually says he had the right to say he won the election.

[Stavros]

That is why he is being tried. The indictment actually says he had the right to say he won the election.

Tell it to the 'experts' like Alan Dershowitz who insists this is a free speech case, or Kevin McCarthy or all the other men and women in denial who in any case don't regard the Siege of Congress as a big deal and now constantly cite JFK's success in Hawaii. There, a dispute over the result led to a recount which confirmed that JFK beat Nixon, so that the JFK electors were the legitimate representatives of Hawaii in the Electoral College. In none of the recounts in disputed cases in 2020 was the outcome different- Biden won, Trump lost, so Pence had no basis on which to 'pause' the certification process. But who among those self-invented historians cares about the facts?

If it was the Titanic, they would have dismissed the iceberg fantasy, and be ordering another round of Dom Perignon.

Fact Check: Did Vice President Richard Nixon Reject Hawaii's Election Results in 1960? (newsweek.com)

[Fitzcarraldo]

Tell it to the 'experts' like Alan Dershowitz who insists this is a free speech case, or Kevin McCarthy or all the other men and women in denial who in any case don't regard the Siege of Congress as a big deal and now constantly cite JFK's success in Hawaii. There, a dispute over the result led to a recount which confirmed that JFK beat Nixon, so that the JFK electors were the legitimate representatives of Hawaii in the Electoral College. In none of the recounts in disputed cases in 2020 was the outcome different- Biden won, Trump lost, so Pence had no basis on which to 'pause' the certification process. But who among those self-invented historians cares about the facts?

If it was the Titanic, they would have dismissed the iceberg fantasy, and be ordering another round of Dom Perignon.

Fact Check: Did Vice President Richard Nixon Reject Hawaii's Election Results in 1960? (newsweek.com)

It doesn't matter what the talking heads think. It matters what the jury thinks (if Trump isn't successful in delaying the trial until after the 2024 election).

[KnightHawk 2.0]

It doesn't matter what the talking heads think. It matters what the jury thinks (if Trump isn't successful in delaying the trial until after the 2024 election).

Agree it doesn't his enablers in Congress,Senate and The Propaganda Channel thinks,it matters what the jury thinks. And Donald Trump's efforts to delay the trial after the 2024 Presidential Election is going to fail.

[Stavros]

It doesn't matter what the talking heads think. It matters what the jury thinks (if Trump isn't successful in delaying the trial until after the 2024 election).

So by stepping away from the debate, you ensure that Trump and his followers shape the daily news agenda. Surely this is a time when responsible people should be exposing the worthless drivel that is being promoted by Trump, by Dershowitz and those other 'talking heads' you don't much care about. It means Rudolph Giuliani can get away with his cheap, vulgar attacks on his former colleagues; that Trump can not only maintain his relentless abuse of the justice system, but also harass, intimidate, and even threaten people, albeit so far un-named individuals.

Where is the opposition to this full frontal assault of Democracy and the Rule of Law? Nowhere.

Every day could see responsible people ask how Trump made his money in the 1990s, and follow the leads which suggest he laundered money for the Russian mafia through his New Jersey casinos. They could hammer home the fact that in the 2016 election, Trump sided with the Russians against the US making him, in effect, a traitor. They could highlight the fact that when the Covid virus began sweeping across the USA, Trump had the legal and moral duty to protect and defend the US- instead he insulted and abused the State of Washington; when the State of New York pleaded for Federal Personal Protection Equipment, Trump and Jared Kushner deliberately stopped it so as to make the Democrats look weak and useless. And when Trump insulted, abused and attacked Gretchen Whitmer his followers hatched a plan to kidnap and assassinate her, when Trump should have been working 14 hours a day to help Michigan. Then there are the multiple times Trump has fantasied about having sex with his daughter. Trump was best friends with Jeffrey Epstein and knew of his interest in young girls -did he ever inform law enforcement of his buddy's criminal activities? Nah. All of these could be the daily feed to prove Trump never was, and never will be fit for public office.

Trump is a liar and a crook.
Trump is a traitor to the USA.
Trump is a disgusting, incestuous beast.

But hey, I guess he will get away with everything, because it seems people are so exhausted by his permanent state of Narcissistic Glory, they prefer to switch off and hide under the sofa and hope he will just go away.

Trump's casino was a money laundering concern shortly after it opened | CNN Politics

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[filghy2]

What are you wanting Fitz to do? Maybe you want something like this?

[Stavros]

What are you wanting Fitz to do? Maybe you want something like this?

No, that is just knee jerk hysteria. The point is that in effect, the election campaign has begun but there seems to be little attempt to take on Trump, De Santis and the various loud mouths who occupy their space, though an article in the NYT suggests Kamala Harris is keen to get involved. Democrts have allowed Trump to control the news cycle, when the news cycle should be forcing him to defend his record of treachery and failure, his disgusting personality.

If Trump wants everything to be about him, then expose him to the most brutal realities that can be used against him. he has after all been giving his opponents as much rope to hang him with as they need. To sit back and do nothing on the basis a jury will convict is just not good politics. And Biden can't do it and probably ought not to, focusing instead on what his admin's achievements are so far.

It's an open goal, but no scores for the right side of democracy and the rule of law.

[Fitzcarraldo]

https://thehill.com/regulation/court...can-democracy/

[Fitzcarraldo]

Georgia on my mind:
https://apnews.com/article/trump-geo...8708de1b011ed3

[Stavros]

That phone call can't be faked, it stands out as a pure example of the drivel that Trump believed, but also a demonstration of his attempt to reverse the people's vote. The slander of the two election workers, and the participation of others in this conspiracy makes one wonder if any of the accused will flip on Trump, or go down with him.

I am possibly surprised Cleta Mitchell is not named, as she was on the phone call complaining to Raffensperger that his office had refused to provide her with some polling data, which he pointed out would have been against Georgia's election law.

But am I right in thinking it is the 'Racketeering' indictment that is the most serious -or is it so broad the defence could chip away at it?

But I assume every citizen of the USA is equal before the law, right? Not that Lindsay Graham seems to know this.