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10-25-2008 #11
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Originally Posted by Oli
"He who gives up freedom for safety deserves neither' Benjamin franklin.
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10-25-2008 #12
Hahaha, Obama is a socialist... what an idiotic notion. The US apparently has the choice between conservative right-wing or extremely conservative to the point of creepiness. Just compare their views to those of politicians abroad, in Europe for instance.
And don't believe everything the Republican-controlled and US-centred media say. Waching US Election coverage gets me truly scared.
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10-25-2008 #13
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Originally Posted by DarkThanos
Originally Posted by loki
Alright Then.
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10-26-2008 #14Originally Posted by DL_NL
DL_NL is right, it is creepy. Talking heads keeping repeating lies like equating 'liberal' with being a 'baby killer'. It's been said so much, that for some people you say the word 'liberal', and they automatically spit out the word "baby killer". It's a foul lie and actually makes no sense when you understand that 'liberal' is a term with a broad meaning. And 'liberal' is only a relative term. DL_NL is right, liberals here would practically be conservatve over in Europe.
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10-26-2008 #15
Re: OBAMA is not a socialist your obviously a republican who
OBAMA is not a socialist! you obviously a republican who can not stand for a Democrat to be in the highest office
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10-26-2008 #16Originally Posted by OliOriginally Posted by DarkThanos
My view of it today is the group that advocated for war with Iraq before 9/11. This would include people like Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, and Donald Rumsfeld. The article noted that Bush’s 2002 state of the Union speech had a lot in common with a position paper written by Paul Wolfowitz in 1992, under Bush I.
But here’s what I associate the current neo con movement:
Imperialism and secrecy
John McGowan, professor of humanities at the University of North Carolina, states, after an extensive review of neoconservative literature and theory, that neoconservatives are attempting to build an American empire, seen as successor to the British Empire, its aim being to perpetuate a Pax Americana. As imperialism is largely seen as unacceptable by the American public, neoconservatives do not articulate their ideas and goals in a frank manner in public discourse. McGowan states,[51]
"Frank neoconservatives like Robert Kaplan and Niall Ferguson recognize that they are proposing imperialism as the alternative to liberal internationalism. Yet both Kaplan and Ferguson also understand that imperialism runs so counter to American's liberal tradition that it must... remain a foreign policy that dare not speak its name... While Ferguson, the Brit, laments that Americans cannot just openly shoulder the white man's burden, Kaplan the American, tells us that "only through stealth and anxious foresight" can the United States continue to pursue the "imperial reality [that] already dominates our foreign policy," but must be disavowed in light of "our anti-imperial traditions, and... the fact that imperialism is delegitimized in public discourse"... The Bush administration, justifying all of its actions by an appeal to "national security," has kept as many of those actions as it can secret and has scorned all limitations to executive power by other branches of government or international law."
The George W. Bush administration is accused of political denialism,[52] as well as hundreds of secretive flights with ghost detainees in the extraordinary rendition program in association with the War on Terrorism.
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10-28-2008 #17
At the rate Natina is posting I'll give her 2-3 more weeks before she burns out and returns to lurker status. :>) Just a hunch.
If I got a dime every time I read an ad with purloined photos I could retire right now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QjS0AbRpAo Andenzi, izimvo zakho ziyaba.
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10-31-2008 #18
I'm going to hope that after Tuesday, when her messiah is elected, she quits spamming the board.