What happens to tgirls when they get old(er)?

[BrendaQG]

When they get old and reach 60 i think they regret beeing a transgender.

I have seen that, and also women who de-transition. Particularly
amongst those who didn't take any estrogens or have any feminizing
cosmetic procedures.

When they are young and men are at their live's, it's cute. But as they get
older and testosterone hardens them and they continue to masculinize,
then men lose interest in them and they start to regret their attempted
transitions, and may live the rest of their live's as gay men.

It could be argued that they were never really transsexual anyway.

A few of these might have been "gayboys with boobs" calling themselves TS, and they definitely should not have surgery. I believe that Josef dude with the mangina website is pretty open about having detransitioned after originally transitioning because he could not accept himself as a gay man.

Others are merely confused souls and find all sorts of targets for blame... one guy in England is suing his doctor for misdiagnosing him as transsexual.

While it may be true that some who detransition were never really transexual. That sounds more like people who have to feel that are 'more trans' than others to feel secure about their own identity. Human identity evolves over a lifetime. Who is to say that gender identity expression could not shift over a period of time, based upon positive or negative reinforcement? They could have been a true type at one time, but shifted intensity.

PeggyGee noted the different types as defined by Benajmin. I say that someone go from one level of intensity to another over time. And who's to say that a person who detransistioned was not facing heavy social pressures to express as thier original gender. This would include finding employment.

I wrote this a little while ago "Gender, Society and the Brain. How aggression and culture make us the gender we are.". As I see it gender is 1% biology and 99% culture, and learned behavior. That 1% makes us want to learn this behavior or that other behavior.

[HP1000]

Maybe they become Democrats?

[Nicole Dupre]

Peggy is obviously being shady and jealous. I'm not impressed with the bullshit about "research" or helping other trannys. Talk's cheap. She's here because she's a transbian, and she's hoping to impress younger trannys with her pretentious authoritative pose. She obviously regrets srs, and she's not saying anything to prove otherwise.

[yodajazz]

Peggy is obviously being shady and jealous. I'm not impressed with the bullshit about "research" or helping other trannys. Talk's cheap. She's here because she's a transbian, and she's hoping to impress younger trannys with her pretentious authoritative pose. She obviously regrets srs, and she's not saying anything to prove otherwise.

This is a classic case of ... I'm not sure. But its a classic case of something.

Why don't you just accept people for who they are? Treat others like you would like to be treated. I'm impressed with PeggyGee. And I vow that she would not regret surgery if I got a hold of her. She's at a place that no other woman here has reached. I suggest you wait until you get her age now to criticize her.

[Nicole Dupre]

Peggy is obviously being shady and jealous. I'm not impressed with the bullshit about "research" or helping other trannys. Talk's cheap. She's here because she's a transbian, and she's hoping to impress younger trannys with her pretentious authoritative pose. She obviously regrets srs, and she's not saying anything to prove otherwise.

This is a classic case of ... I'm not sure. But its a classic case of something.

Why don't you just accept people for who they are? Treat others like you would like to be treated. I'm impressed with PeggyGee. And I vow that she would not regret surgery if I got a hold of her. She's at a place that no other woman here has reached. I suggest you wait until you get her age now to criticize her.

Are you serious? She's saying that escorts don't make 200 to 300/hr consistently. That's a lie, and it's pretty shady to boot. So why wouldn't I be offended? FACT: I most assuredly DO make it, and so do lots of girls. She's finding isolated cases in Africa to back that bullshit up? Get real.

Escorting experiences are as unique as the individual doing the job. It's like saying that the food service industry amounts to being a pushcart hotdog vendor, simply because you're not a gourmet chef. Anybody cutting an onion could lose a finger ie. every job has it's occupational hazards. She's saying she did the "sex, drugs, and r'n'r" thing. When? 20 or 30 years ago? Newsflash: it's 2009. I want to know who these sad bitches are that she's referring to. People she knows? Suggestion: get out more. Everything is not as it is in your backyard.

Let me tell you something. I've known PLENTY of transsexuals, of all ages. Many are post ops. All of the older ones were conditioned to believe that getting SRS made you "complete". Most of their vaginas are a few inches deep and have no mucosa. I don't envy them. But I've known PLENTY who envy us. Some are honest enough to say so, but many aren't.

Now, if Peggy was such a hot piece of ass when she was younger, I would love to see a picture. Based on what I have seen, she's not exactly Lena Horne. It's more than easy to come here and copy and paste articles and talk mad smack. But that's certainly not proof of anything, especially when you're a tranny. Getting positive reactions from men is where the proof is; walking down the street and turning heads, getting flirted with, and having men get wood. It won't pay your bills unless you work it. It may not be healthy validation, but it beats being old and unwanted. Don't hate.

Furthermore, this is a HUNG forum. If you're going to chill out here, why talk shit about the industry that pays the light bill?

[yodajazz]

Peggy is obviously being shady and jealous. I'm not impressed with the bullshit about "research" or helping other trannys. Talk's cheap. She's here because she's a transbian, and she's hoping to impress younger trannys with her pretentious authoritative pose. She obviously regrets srs, and she's not saying anything to prove otherwise.

This is a classic case of ... I'm not sure. But its a classic case of something.

Why don't you just accept people for who they are? Treat others like you would like to be treated. I'm impressed with PeggyGee. And I vow that she would not regret surgery if I got a hold of her. She's at a place that no other woman here has reached. I suggest you wait until you get her age now to criticize her.

Are you serious? She's saying that escorts don't make 200 to 300/hr consistently. That's a lie, and it's pretty shady to boot. So why wouldn't I be offended? FACT: I most assuredly DO make it, and so do lots of girls. She's finding isolated cases in Africa to back that bullshit up? Get real.

Escorting experiences are as unique as the individual doing the job. It's like saying that the food service industry amounts to being a pushcart hotdog vendor, simply because you're not a gourmet chef. Anybody cutting an onion could lose a finger ie. every job has it's occupational hazards. She's saying she did the "sex, drugs, and r'n'r" thing. When? 20 or 30 years ago? Newsflash: it's 2009. I want to know who these sad bitches are that she's referring to. People she knows? Suggestion: get out more. Everything is not as it is in your backyard.

Let me tell you something. I've known PLENTY of transsexuals, of all ages. Many are post ops. All of the older ones were conditioned to believe that getting SRS made you "complete". Most of their vaginas are a few inches deep and have no mucosa. I don't envy them. But I've known PLENTY who envy us. Some are honest enough to say so, but many aren't.

Now, if Peggy was such a hot piece of ass when she was younger, I would love to see a picture. Based on what I have seen, she's not exactly Lena Horne. It's more than easy to come here and copy and paste articles and talk mad smack. But that's certainly not proof of anything, especially when you're a tranny. Getting positive reactions from men is where the proof is; walking down the street and turning heads, getting flirted with, and having men get wood. It won't pay your bills unless you work it. It may not be healthy validation, but it beats being old and unwanted. Don't hate.

Furthermore, this is a HUNG forum. If you're going to chill out here, why talk shit about the industry that pays the light bill?

It sounds like you disagree with Peggy on a specific set of facts. Yet you attack her in general, like saying that she is here for another reason. This takes discussions to another place and everything becomes personal.

But let’s address the issue of escorts. Sure there are some that make $300 an hour. But I would bet for everyone of those there are five like Chanel in New Orleans:

She is open about her life here. She made $100 on Friday, Saturday she was too depressed to work. She admits to having drug problems and is HIV positive. She can’t even get to her clothes and possession cause there at someone’s home she’s having a disagreement with. Her earnings are down, now that she is a little older. She wishes she had put money away when she was earning more. Her and Telaasia, say that they did not know that other possibilities existed in life for trans women, when they were younger. So for them it was about being aware that there are other choices. I believe this represents the view of large numbers of trans women.

PeggyGee has been about empowering trans women to able to make choices. For example, she listed employers who are known to be trans friendly. When I check the Eros listings I see maybe 20-25 listing for the whole state. That does not seem like a lots opportunities to me. It’s not about criticizing the escorts who make that amount of money. It just seem that the life is not for everyone.

I do not question you on the fact there are post op women who regret there surgeries. In some places the law will not grant legal recognition to them as female, unless they have the surgery. There are social pressures to conform. But this does not mean that some are not happy either. Some go for additional surgeries to correct problems. If Peggy says she is happy, I have to respect her words and be happy for her.

Here is the part one for the video about Chanel:
It is good that there is someone like Telaasia Black to show the lives of these untold stories.

[Nicole Dupre]

Let's not compare apples and oranges. I'm going by what she said, and nothing more, The last thing I'd do is say that being post op is not a worthy option. But it's how she's presenting it that I don't like. First, she subscribes to the idea of true and untrue, and that's easily as elitist as making FFS any kind of issue. Second, if she wants to lend a hand to other TS, being sanctimonious is not going to help her cause. She speculating about what escorts make, so I'm speculating why she's speculating. And there's plenty to indicate that her motivation is exactly what I think it is. Again, I know enough post ops who aren't attempting to take the moral high ground that she is. In addition, she doesn't even have anything concrete to base postion on. If she wants to help, imo she's picked a shitty way. I can Google TG employment resources, copy and paste it, and so can anyone. Nice idea, but lets not piss on our sisters' backs and tell them its raining.

[peggygee]

Nicole, you are of course entitled to your opinion, but in my case I am
going to have to say that you are wrong.

Not shady, jealous, regretful of GRS, or the litanty of other allegations
that you have levied.

I will say though that the reason that I made the posts about older escorts
in foreign countries was to show the types of services offered to them by
their respective governments, not to iindict the sex industry.

[yodajazz]

Let's not compare apples and oranges. I'm going by what she said, and nothing more, The last thing I'd do is say that being post op is not a worthy option. But it's how she's presenting it that I don't like. First, she subscribes to the idea of true and untrue, and that's easily as elitist as making FFS any kind of issue. Second, if she wants to lend a hand to other TS, being sanctimonious is not going to help her cause. She speculating about what escorts make, so I'm speculating why she's speculating. And there's plenty to indicate that her motivation is exactly what I think it is. Again, I know enough post ops who aren't attempting to take the moral high ground that she is. In addition, she doesn't even have anything concrete to base postion on. If she wants to help, imo she's picked a shitty way. I can Google TG employment resources, copy and paste it, and so can anyone. Nice idea, but lets not piss on our sisters' backs and tell them its raining.

Having srs may not be an option for you, that's an individuals' choice, but it is the major option for many transwomen. This site says that there are 30,000 to 40,000 post op women in the US.
http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conw...successes.html
The woman who made this site is a post op who is a computer engineer. She has biographies of numerous successful post op women here.

But I have heard many times stories about girl's lives. Many drop out of high school due to harrasment. Then later they meet a fabuous looking trans woman, who happens to be in sex work. The woman takes tthe youth under her wing, and takes her into 'the life'. This life involves sex work in an athmosphere of drugs and alcohol. They have fun as young pretty things but life changes. They find themselves like Chanel in the video.

Yeah people like PeggyGee and myself do attemp to take the moral high ground. it seems to me that many trans community does not have enough morality. I'm not talking about sex, I'm talking girls hating on one another, picking on people because of their looks, not providing good service in their business, and most ironically of all judging other people because of their sexual tastes.

So while certain people might not be your favorites, maybe some girl out there does need to hear a positive message, or at least about better ways to live. PeggyGee should get props as being the oldest admitted trans woman here.

[keyplay]

Hmm, I'm getting older, and better!
Soo an older girl can be becutiful, with more expierence and less childish bullshit.

I find you to be very very sexy! I've commented in a couple threads about your "hot appearance".