I think we should have a civil war......

[jcinva]

There are some things you can change by working real hard and getting schooled up and clenching your teeth and hoping like the dickens. And there are some things you can't.

They are - no matter how much they wish they weren't.

It is - no matter how much you wish it wasn't.

Get over it.

In this, our Lord's year of 2009, a guy can put on a dress and shoot his chest up with just about anything he wants and still keep his job and home. And, a guy can slurp and ride on a weenie and still head out for beers and ten pin later that evening.

There's so much homophobia here, you could fill a coliseum. In one post, you read how tolerant a guy is. In the next, it's an explantion in exquisite detail how his sucking a cock isn't gay if the cock's owner is slim and pretty and well-tittied, and really believes he's a chick. And woe betide the poor bastard who points out, "Dude, you're talking about sucking a cock and you're a guy... not just an eensy bit gay?"

It's just much easier getting your arms around reality, as tough as it may initially be. After that you don't have to say stupid shit like, "her penis," and "ass-pussy."

Really, do you guys actually read some of the shit you write?

And the Truth shall set you Free.

[sucka4chix]

There are some things you can change by working real hard and getting schooled up and clenching your teeth and hoping like the dickens. And there are some things you can't.

They are - no matter how much they wish they weren't.

It is - no matter how much you wish it wasn't.

Get over it.

In this, our Lord's year of 2009, a guy can put on a dress and shoot his chest up with just about anything he wants and still keep his job and home. And, a guy can slurp and ride on a weenie and still head out for beers and ten pin later that evening.

There's so much homophobia here, you could fill a coliseum. In one post, you read how tolerant a guy is. In the next, it's an explantion in exquisite detail how his sucking a cock isn't gay if the cock's owner is slim and pretty and well-tittied, and really believes he's a chick. And woe betide the poor bastard who points out, "Dude, you're talking about sucking a cock and you're a guy... not just an eensy bit gay?"

It's just much easier getting your arms around reality, as tough as it may initially be. After that you don't have to say stupid shit like, "her penis," and "ass-pussy."

Really, do you guys actually read some of the shit you write?

And the Truth shall set you Free.

This is utter bullshit. This absolute thinking seems logical, but only to an outsider. If you can be just a little gay you should be able to be just a little straight--- that's nonsense. The fact is that gay is being defined by old assed standards. Yeah typically a guy who likes a cock would be gay. But in a day and age when a TS can look more feminine and attractive than a GG, the line is blurred. I've said it before, a guy who is attracted to Buck is far more gay than a guy attracted to Jennifer Paris, even if she has a dick and he has a twat! Sucking a t-girl cock may preclude you from being totally straight, whatever that is, but it doesn't make you gay, either. It puts you in a box where you don't fit in with either!!!! The fact that you claim homophobia (stupid fag myth) should prove that these people are not gay, nor do they want to be. You just want to classify them as such so you have something to bitch about.

[jcinva]

But in a day and age when a TS can look more feminine and attractive than a GG, the line is blurred. I've said it before, a guy who is attracted to Buck is far more gay than a guy attracted to Jennifer Paris, even if she has a dick and he has a twat! Sucking a t-girl cock may preclude you from being totally straight, whatever that is, but it doesn't make you gay, either. It puts you in a box where you don't fit in with either!!!! The fact that you claim homophobia (stupid fag myth) should prove that these people are not gay, nor do they want to be. You just want to classify them as such so you have something to bitch about.

The Buck argument is a red herring. It's come up before. Heterosexual does not necessarily equal desirable. Fucking Buck Angel is probably straight, but so would be fucking Janet Reno or Ruth Gordon. Het? Yes. Nasty? So very.

You're arguing with your Maury hat. The question isn't whether Jennifer or Buck can pass the Pepsi challenge. The Pepsi challenge measures opinion. The issue here is fact: what is and what ain't.

You could fool me, or you, a hundred or a thousand times, parading incredibly passable TSes in front of either of us. Don't change what is.

Add a little nutmeg and vanilla extract to a cup of hemlock and you could get a dozen or a hundred people to agree this here is some delicious toddy. Come back an hour later, and they'd still be dead.

Know why? It was fucking HEMLOCK. No matter how you well you dressed it up.

What is - is, and what ain't - ain't.
They ain't.

[scroller]

Trust us when we tell you that we, the pre-op sex workers, see the dynamics of the situation accurately. We don't lead double lives like so many of you do. We respect your need for privacy though, and are always more than happy to provide you with a safe and discreet experience.

Who was the escort bragging here in the last month or two about outing some guy to his wife/girlfriend who didn't show up to a particular appointment? I honestly don't remember.

[sucka4chix]

Apples and oranges. You're not adding nutmeg to hemlock, you're changing the basic chemistry of hemlock. Now is it still hemlock???
The Buck scenario is very valid. You are fixating on the sex. Being gay is a question of your sexuality not the other persons sex. By definition dick=male. You're extrapolating that since dick=male, partner has dick, you=gay. That doesn't work. If you like beards and muscles and the smell of old spice are you gay? Only if you like dick right? That's the only criteria for being gay, liking dick?? Gay is a lifestyle that encompasses far more than just cock. So you gotta have a little more interest than just dick to be gay!! Now the acts would undeniably be classified as homosexual because of the like genitalia, but not necessarily gay!

[Jim Brown]

Trust us when we tell you that we, the pre-op sex workers, see the dynamics of the situation accurately. We don't lead double lives like so many of you do. We respect your need for privacy though, and are always more than happy to provide you with a safe and discreet experience.

Who was the escort bragging here in the last month or two about outing some guy to his wife/girlfriend who didn't show up to a particular appointment? I honestly don't remember.

I never could understand why someone would beat a tranny to death, i usually think about it but couldnt come up with a reason why?

[Silcc69]

Sum guys like monster cocks like Dream has. Other like (ME INCLUDED.) prefer a feminine chick like Savannah. Sure she has a 5 inch dick that barely works but she's HOT!

[jcinva]

I'm suggesting the act of wanting, or doing most sorts of things one would do with a TS, are gay. 'Cause, like, you know - guys. At what point you are officially banned from the "He Man Heteros" club, I couldn't say. I'll leave that for brighter minds than mine.

Didn't like the hemlock analogy. OK.

In the course of figuring out the whole relativity thing, Einstein and a few others were so appalled at the ideas of quantum uncertainty and the expanding universe that they scrambled to add all sorts of constants and other extraneous crap to drag this new model of the Universe back onto "safe ground." Eventually, however, enough proof got set on the table that the community said, all this extra stuff, right here - unnecessary. The universe is expanding and at the quantum level, you can't know position and velocity. It may upset your notions of the way things "ought to be" but that's what is. Dealwiddit.

So, here you've got this situation where you've got a guy who decides, (or realizes he's always known) that he wants to be a chick and do chick shit, including have tits, hairless chest, sleep with guys, and read Nights in Rodanthe. And then there's a guy who realizes, holy shit, that person in the dress is fucking "hawt" and then there's Mr. Happy hanging out. Uh-oh.

Both have this epiphany - Aw crap! What I want to do is fucking GAY! I can't be GAY 'cause then I'll be ridiculed by my friends and family, and have to act like Jack MacFarland, and spend the rest of eternity wailing and gnashing my teeth in the Lake of Fire! Aw, man! That blows!

So, then, like Einstein, you get this whole community willing to hang all sorts of Sexological Constants, convoluted logic, and truly facially stupid notions, to demonstrate what they do or want is absolutely, under no circumstances, GAY. Cause that, of course, would be unspeakably horrible.

My suggestion is, the first time someone uttered the words, "her cock," with a straight face, that should have been the tip off that they were on some really, really thin ice. And maybe it was time to go back an re-check some of the initial assumptions. Abandon this illusion that they'd somehow transcended ancient, outdated, primitive notions of sex and sexuality and join the rest of the world in that place called - "Reality." This, it appears to me, is classic, "letting the little head think for the big one."

It's a gay thought or act. Dealwiddit and move on.


Just one opinion. I doubt I'll bring you around. "A man convinced against his will, and all that...."

[Nicole Dupre]

I don't see it like that at all. If you peruse this site you'll see many references to cock-bandits and shit when it doesn't apply. It's so fucking ass backwards here. The guys he think you're a freak because you have a cock and the want to look at it are the ones lauded here. Their the ones applauded for loving the "whole person" and the "total package" when actually they are the ones who are picking parts of the person they don't like. And it's not just 2 people!!
It's not just this board either. I was on a ts centric dating site and I was ready to kill bitches. They didn't understand the discretion you speak of and were very hateful toward admirers. Total turn off. So I just stick with real-time. Somehow TSes are grumpier when on the computer.

C'mon now. You know damn well you can't judge us all by an isolated case you read about online. As I mentioned in a thread here the other day, there are escort review sites giving out false info about girls they actually know nothing about. Unfortunately, that's something we as escorts have to put up with. Sorta like when a food critic bitches because he had to pay for his meal.

Similarly, this is a forum where homosexual drill sergeants like JC in VA, who's out for jacked up & discounted shit like houses being foreclosed on, find it very tempting to anonymously bully people. He knows that he's all about the cock, and not the girls, and this becomes his outlet to vent about it. Because HA doesn't allow for all the variables at play in in a genuine provider/client relationship. Respect goes out the window behind the anonymous safety of a keyboard. Talk is cheap, and some people get off on that.

But guys downloading free porn are not the same thing as generous admirers. Sure, some of the guys we meet as providers are dirt, but 99% are perfect gentlemen who understand the deal. Let's face it. The real purpose of this forum is to market 'chick with dick' porn and parties. Not to teach hookers how to put condoms on. Giving away freebie pics to cheap losers is only a marketing gimmick, not unlike happy hour. At the end of the day, guys like Phobun are lost and lonely, and the providers are loved and lucrative. But that's no excuse to undermine this forum, and try passing off grandmotherly logic based on fear as "the way it is". Most of you obviously know very little about "the way it is". Seriously, how experienced and knowledgeable about TS issues and facts does this dork seem to you? lol

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[jcinva]

Similarly, this is a forum where homosexual drill sergeants like JC in VA, who's out for jacked up & discounted shit like houses being foreclosed on, find it very tempting to anonymously bully people. He knows that he's all about the cock, and not the girls, and this becomes his outlet to vent about it. Because HA doesn't allow for all the variables at play in in a genuine provider/client relationship. Respect goes out the window behind the anonymous safety of a keyboard. Talk is cheap, and some people get off on that.

http://browse.transvestites-247.co.u...px?user=jcinva

Ah, Nick, my favorite chancre on this board. Never know when you're going to recur, but you can count on it being unpleasant and smelly.

You toss out that you've captured my attention and you're under my skin.

And yet, you patiently wait on the sidelines for me to post, so you can get in your plug, and toss out an insult or two. And now, you've ginned up this fictitious profile of me. Actually - it's more clever than I'd've given you credit for.

First you're working the angle of me as a gay, WoW fanatic. Now you're working the "British?" transvestite real estate flipper persona.

You'll have much more success on this if you'll make up one tale and stick with it. Then, it'll appear you have some facts, rather than just making shit up from your glue huffing visions.

I'd say, perhaps, I was under your skin, but honestly, I can't imagine a more repulsive place to be. It's very clear just how uncomfortable and unhappy you are in there.

Have you figured out yet, that all the tats in the world won't cover up that loathesome disposition of yours?