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08-09-2010 #12
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'70's ? Yeah, like the Earth is THAT old.
"...I no longer believe that people's secrets are defined and communicable, or their feelings full-blown and easy to recognize."_Alice Munro, Chaddeleys and Flemings.
"...the order in creation which you see is that which you have put there, like a string in a maze, so that you shall not lose your way". _Judge Holden, Cormac McCarthy's, BLOOD MERIDIAN.
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08-10-2010 #13
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Nope, we are talking about all the planets in the solar system, undergoing climate changes, or as they are called "global upheavals".
Hmm, I am not really getting into the debate, since there is no point (no dissing to anyone, but I am just too tired to want to prove a point anymore to anyone -that is indeed based in truth and logic- ), but..
..this is similar as to saying, that whenever someone with a growing depression and anger is sleeping, it is to be considered as a sign of an overall bettering in their mental state.. (..this is the logic, that is being fed now in the media..)
We are talking about the overall trend of the sunspots, during the last 8000 years, that relates directly to the warmth of the earth as measured by humans.. the overall temperatures that can be sampled off the ice core, in turn relate to the amount of Co2 that has also been measured in the glaciers (..only it relates into temperature in such a way, that the amount of Co2 is following the raises in temperatures by somewhat 800 years, as is proven by many tests, so logically it cannot be seen as the overall cause for the warmth..)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3869753.stm
But everyone, make up your own minds what hype you believe.. I do not see any point anymore raising the conversation on this issue, since it seems that people (and not meaning this personally to anyone on the board) are simply not open to discussion in matters relating to doomsdayscenarios..
edit: some links
Climate Change / Pluto
Climate Change / Jupiter
Climate Change / Neptunes moon Triton
Climate Change / Mars Polar Ice caps melting
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08-10-2010 #14
I think it is very possible if us humans can't figure it out.
I can't imagine Al Gore made all this up just to get rich, like the fool Fox news sorts say.
I think anyone who reads this will be long gone by the time the S hits the fan.
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08-10-2010 #15
1970? Ya I am pretty sure the earth was here.. could of all been a bad acid trip but I don't so. We were told by "scientists" that the world was heading into another ice age and we were all going to die.
Strange but the big corporations and governments were all quietly standing behind the so called "scientists" ready to rake in all the profits from the "preventive" fixes.
All the global science currently being tossed around is for one reason, for government and corporations to get rich with "fixes" or "credits" call it what you may. Its about MONEY, it has nothing to do with science. The people who pass out this line of BS are the biggest carbon abusers on the planet. Don't you really think if they believed the horse pucky they are trying to sell us they would live by their own advice?
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08-10-2010 #16
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We were told by "scientists" that the world was heading into another ice age and we were all going to die.
Today, the atmospheric mechanism is quantitatively understood, simulated and fined tuned by ever more powerful computer models. The evidence is far more extensive and compelling. So much so that there very few dissenters among professional climatologists. The more vocal dissenters are politicians and the corporations they "represent." If you think this is not about science look at the professional peer reviewed journals in climatology: the worldwide consensus of climatologists is that we are experiencing a shift in climate that is driven to a significant extent by our dumping billions of tons per year of greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere.
"...I no longer believe that people's secrets are defined and communicable, or their feelings full-blown and easy to recognize."_Alice Munro, Chaddeleys and Flemings.
"...the order in creation which you see is that which you have put there, like a string in a maze, so that you shall not lose your way". _Judge Holden, Cormac McCarthy's, BLOOD MERIDIAN.
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Loveburst, your BBC link is date 2004. The newest data indicates the upcoming Sunspot cycle will be one of the lowest on record. The SOHO observatory is a satellite placed at the Lagrange point between us and the Sun. It's been monitoring the Sun's output for over ten years. Though the Sun goes through cycles, there is no evidence a unusually high levels of radiation, particulate or electromagnetic. Nothing that could drive a planetary climatological change.
Yes, there's a fluctuation in the red spot on Jupiter. Some planetary experts say it may be indicative of a climate change. Others do not agree. The red spot is the vortex of a storm that reaches up into the upper atmosphere of Jupiter. It's been around ever since Galileo discovered in the sixteenth century. Storms are usually that stable; and when they are, fluctuations in their activity are to be expected. Anything could cause a fluctuation in a semi-stable storm. Perhaps the atmospheric layers are somewhat decoupled and the slippage varies the higher atmospheric energy output of the vortex. To call the recent variation in the red spot an upheaval is really loading the dice.
The planets are not static bodies. They are dynamic. Because they many of them have atmospheres, they rotate, their orbits of eccentric, their axis are inclined, they are geologically active interiors that are also tugged upon by the tidal forces of their moons one expects to observe lots of interesting fluctuating phenomena. Otherwise planetologists would be pretty bored. Each and every planet at any given moment is exhibiting interesting climatological or geological behaviors: it doesn't follow that all those behaviors has the same cause or is driven by the same thing. The best approach is to look for separate explanations of each phenomenon.
On our planet, we find the large scale climate is warming. The hypothesis that it's caused by greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere yields the best quantitative fit with the current data. No other hypothesis comes close to producing models as accurate. Of course we could hold out, for a better hypothesis. But solar system wide catastrophe is not an explanation, it's a headline.
"...I no longer believe that people's secrets are defined and communicable, or their feelings full-blown and easy to recognize."_Alice Munro, Chaddeleys and Flemings.
"...the order in creation which you see is that which you have put there, like a string in a maze, so that you shall not lose your way". _Judge Holden, Cormac McCarthy's, BLOOD MERIDIAN.
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08-11-2010 #18
Record Heat Wave in Russia Could Kill Tens of Thousands
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08-13-2010 #19
Climate...
Published on Thursday, August 12, 2010 by Truthdig News at 11: How Climate Change Affects You
by Amy Goodman
Our daily weather reports, cheerfully presented with flashy graphics and state-of-the-art animation, appear to relay more and more information.
And yet, no matter how glitzy the presentation, a key fact is invariably omitted. Imagine if, after flashing the words "extreme weather" to grab our attention, the reports flashed "global warming." Then we would know not only to wear lighter clothes or carry an umbrella, but that we have to do something about climate change.
I put the question to Jeff Masters, co-founder and director of meteorology at Weather Underground, an Internet weather information service. Masters writes a popular blog on weather, and doesn't shy away from linking extreme weather to climate change:
"Heat, heat, heat is the name of the game on planet Earth this year," he told me, as the world is beset with extreme weather events that have caused the death of thousands and the displacement of millions.
Wildfires in Russia have blanketed the country with smoke, exacerbating the hottest summer there in 1,000 years. Torrential rains in Asia have caused massive flooding and deadly landslides in Pakistan, Kashmir, Afghanistan and China. An ice shelf in Greenland has broken off, sending an ice island four times the size of Manhattan into the ocean. Droughts threaten Niger and the Sahel.
Masters relates stark statistics:
- 2010 has seen the most national extreme heat records for a single year: 17.
- The past decade was the hottest decade in the historical record.
- The first half of 2010 was the warmest such six-month period in the planet's history.
- The five warmest months in history for the tropical Atlantic have all occurred this year (likely leading to more frequent and severe Atlantic hurricanes).
"We will start seeing more and more years like this year when you get these amazing events that caused tremendous death and destruction," Masters said. "As this extreme weather continues to increase in the coming decades and the population increases, the ability of the international community to respond and provide aid to victims will be stretched to the limit."
And yet the U.N. talks aimed at climate change seem poised for collapse.
When the Copenhagen climate talks last December were derailed, with select industrialized nations, led by the United States, offering a "take it or leave it" accord, many developing nations decided to leave it. The so-called Copenhagen Accord is seen as a tepid, nonbinding document that was forced on the poorer countries as a ploy to allow countries like the U.S., Canada and China to escape the legally binding greenhouse-gas emissions targets of the Kyoto Protocol, which is up for renewal.
Bolivia, for example, is pursuing a more aggressive global agreement on emissions. It's calling for strict, legally binding limits on emissions, rather than the voluntary goals set forth in the Copenhagen Accord. When Bolivia refused to sign on to the accord, the U.S. denied it millions in promised aid money. Bolivia's United Nations ambassador, Pablo Solon, told me: "We said: ‘You can keep your money. We're not fighting for a couple of coins. We are fighting for life.'"
While Bolivia did succeed in passing a U.N. resolution last month affirming the right to water and sanitation as a human right, a first for the world body, that doesn't change the fact that as Bolivia's glaciers melt as a result of climate change, its water supply is threatened.
Pacific Island nations like Tuvalu may disappear from the planet entirely if sea levels continue to rise, which is another consequence of global warming.
The U.N. climate conference will convene in Cancun, Mexico, in December, where prospects for global consensus with binding commitments seem increasingly unlikely. Ultimately, policy in the United States, the greatest polluter in human history, must be changed. That will come only from people in the United States making the vital connection between our local weather and global climate change. What better way than through the daily drumbeat of the weather forecasts? Meteorologist Jeff Masters defined for me the crux of the problem:
"A lot of TV meteorologists are very skeptical that human-caused global climate change is real. They've been seduced by the view pushed by the fossil-fuel industry that humans really aren't responsible ... we're fighting a battle against an enemy that's very well-funded, that's intent on providing disinformation about what the real science says."
It just may take a weatherperson to tell which way the wind blows.
Denis Moynihan contributed research to this column.
Copyright © 2010 Truthdig, L.L.C.
Amy Goodman is the host of "Democracy Now!," a daily international TV/radio news hour airing on 800 stations in North America. She was awarded the 2008 Right Livelihood Award, dubbed the “Alternative Nobel” prize, and received the award in the Swedish Parliament in December.
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08-14-2010 #20
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MONEY??? I must seriously be missing out then.
You're repeating more REICHWING PROPAGANDA again, Faldur.
http://ams.confex.com/ams/pdfpapers/131047.pdf
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