Trannies for Trump

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Originally Posted by Nick Danger

The suspicion of Hillary's Russian ties revolves around the dossier underwritten by the Democratic Party regarding Trump's activities in Russia, a dossier that found its way into the hands of the FBI.

The theory is that she couldn't have acquired the information without collusion. And no, not collusion with Vladimir Putin. Hillary's Russian ties are much more pedestrian, as befits her status as an ex-Secretary of State and failed Presidential candidate.

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Are you suggesting that these two things are equivalent?

1. Paying someone to obtain information from Russian sources (presumably something that US intelligence agencies do all the time).

2. Possibly conspiring with a foreign government to meddle in an election to your advantage, in return for policy changes favourable to that government. Not only that, but a foreign government that has been a long-time adversary of the US and western democracy with a recent history of invading other countries and murdering its opponents.

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Originally Posted by Fitzcarraldo

I suppose you could call immediate impeachment, certain conviction, and prompt removal from office "temporary."

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Not sure you know how impeachment works, Fitz. Example, do you remember that Bill Clinton was impeached? For perjury and obstruction of justice? By the House, but then vindicated by the Senate. Same with Andrew Johnson. I.E., no President has ever been successfully impeached by the House and removed from office by the Senate. Nixon might have been the first. That's why he resigned.

On the other hand, every President ever has had a base of non-admirers optimistic about his inevitable impeachment and removal from office, despite the fact that it has never happened.

President Trump will not be impeached for treason. There will never be a presentable case for treason because the first thing the prosecution would have to prove would be that Russia is our enemy. Russia is technically not our enemy, they're just a big scary sovereign nation that yanks our chain now and then.

The full truth is that President Trump will not be impeached for anything unless the Democratic Party finds some traction in Congress (they won't). Republicans are not going to impeach a Republican President over matters of trivia. And yes, I'm saying that Russian meddling in American elections is a trivial matter. It's not as if they tampered with the ballot boxes. In the big picture, all they did was peddle some propaganda.

I can see you have high hopes, Fitz. I'm also aware that you don't listen to me, so I'm sure I'm not crushing your dreams when I tell you impeachment and removal from office will never happen.

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Originally Posted by filghy2

Are you suggesting that these two things are equivalent?

1. Paying someone to obtain information from Russian sources (presumably something that US intelligence agencies do all the time).

2. Possibly conspiring with a foreign government to meddle in an election to your advantage, in return for policy changes favourable to that government. Not only that, but a foreign government that has been a long-time adversary of the US and western democracy with a recent history of invading other countries and murdering its opponents.

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I don't recall saying or even implying anything about the relative merits of the two offenses. I only recall saying that both candidates were in cahoots with Russia.

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Originally Posted by Nick Danger

I don't recall saying or even implying anything about the relative merits of the two offenses. I only recall saying that both candidates were in cahoots with Russia.

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There you go again, Nicky No Facts. Obtaining information from some people in Russia - presumably people not doing so with the approval of the Russian government - does not constitute being in cahoots with Russia.

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Originally Posted by filghy2

There you go again, Nicky No Facts. Obtaining information from some people in Russia - presumably people not doing so with the approval of the Russian government - does not constitute being in cahoots with Russia.

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Flighty, you are determined to win an argument on the internet. You aren't going to win it against me (as you should have figured out many days ago), but still, I admire your determination.

What does constitute being in cahoots with Russia, Flighty? Sucking Putin's cock?

Also, no, Hillary is not suspected of "obtaining information from some people in Russia," she is suspected of obtaining classified information only the KGB would have, and it is furthermore suspected that there was no "ex-British secret agent" serving as go-between.

But alas it is only a suspicion, just like the suspicion that President Trump had a pee party in the Moscow Hilton. Suspicion can be damaging. Here we are in Richard Gere's twilight years, and I still think he probably likes gerbils up his ass. Also, did Rod Stewart really have his stomach pumped because he'd swallowed too much cum at a gay orgy? The world will never know.

Funny thing about suspicion though - for some people, it rolls off of them like water off a duck's back. Donald Trump is one of those people. Everyone knows he's into some shady shit, but the consensus is, whatever under-the-table dealings he might be involved in, he's doing it for America. Hillary, on the other hand, is a suspicion magnet of questionable patriotism. She lacks Trump's audacity and charisma. Many otherwise normal people want to (and did) see her fail very badly. People believe she is a murderous, lying, warmongering, globalist, elitist cunt at heart. I know of several Democrats who are repulsed by Hillary Clinton. And I don't know many Democrats.

Trump's supporters are just the opposite. We want him to win. We want him to show everyone what's what. We want a giant statue in Washington of a naked Donald Trump with a fully-erect penis.

I mean seriously, Flighty, can you imagine if Hillary had fucked a porn star then paid him off to keep his mouth shut? Hillary's supporters are just too fragile to handle something like that. But when it happened to Trump, we were all like, "Go Don!"

Point being, it's not just the crime, it's who commits it. Hillary's got nothing coming in the way of public forgiveness. Trump, on the other hand, can literally do no wrong.

Why do you think that is, Flighty? I'll tell you why it is, it's because Trump supporters care about what really matters, and Hillary supporters don't have a clue what matters.

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Originally Posted by Nick Danger

Point being, it's not just the crime, it's who commits it. Hillary's got nothing coming in the way of public forgiveness. Trump, on the other hand, can literally do no wrong.

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It's only taken 20 plus pages, but finally you've spoken a truth, at least for about 85% of your side.

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Originally Posted by Nick Danger

You have certainly given a thorough and truthful description of the American system of democracy. But none of that matters. You, me, and everyone else in this thread sat in our living rooms and watched George W. Bush steal two elections back-to-back on national television.

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Originally Posted by Nick Danger

Point being, it's not just the crime, it's who commits it. Hillary's got nothing coming in the way of public forgiveness. Trump, on the other hand, can literally do no wrong.

Why do you think that is, Flighty? I'll tell you why it is, it's because Trump supporters care about what really matters, and Hillary supporters don't have a clue what matters.

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So, why bother with democracy and the rule of law at all? Why not just establish a dictatorship so your hero can be leader for life and have his way in everything, just like the dictators he admires so much? Maybe Trump, Putin and Xi Jinping could then make a deal to divide up the rest of the world, like Hitler and Stalin did. Isn't that the logical implication of everything you've argued in this thread?

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Originally Posted by Nick Danger

Not sure you know how impeachment works, Fitz. Example, do you remember that Bill Clinton was impeached? For perjury and obstruction of justice? By the House, but then vindicated by the Senate. Same with Andrew Johnson. I.E., no President has ever been successfully impeached by the House and removed from office by the Senate. Nixon might have been the first. That's why he resigned.

On the other hand, every President ever has had a base of non-admirers optimistic about his inevitable impeachment and removal from office, despite the fact that it has never happened.

President Trump will not be impeached for treason. There will never be a presentable case for treason because the first thing the prosecution would have to prove would be that Russia is our enemy. Russia is technically not our enemy, they're just a big scary sovereign nation that yanks our chain now and then.

The full truth is that President Trump will not be impeached for anything unless the Democratic Party finds some traction in Congress (they won't). Republicans are not going to impeach a Republican President over matters of trivia. And yes, I'm saying that Russian meddling in American elections is a trivial matter. It's not as if they tampered with the ballot boxes. In the big picture, all they did was peddle some propaganda.

I can see you have high hopes, Fitz. I'm also aware that you don't listen to me, so I'm sure I'm not crushing your dreams when I tell you impeachment and removal from office will never happen.

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I know how impeachment works.

Interesting....here's one pro Trump one.
https://twitter.com/jasmine_jewels?lang=en

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Originally Posted by MrFanti

Interesting....here's one pro Trump one.
https://twitter.com/jasmine_jewels?lang=en

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A roster of unintelligent tweets. For example, this:

Press says don't meet with Un because it legitimise him... Trump has got this!

-But the US recognizing North Korea as a separate state has been one of Kim's primary objectives because it has been denied by the US since 1953 and doing so makes it equal in status to South Korea -and anyway, only Congress can do this, and so far it hasn't been asked to do it, so technically, the US President has signed a piece of paper with the head of a state the US does not recognize exists.

As for this:

FBI Continues its stonewalling....time to dismantle FBI heads & create a real bureau using real Americans

One wonders how the Wondered Woman defines a 'real American' -could it be only the American who agrees with her?