The FAST Approaching Gun Ban

[yodajazz]

Didn't take too long for "you-know-who" to blame "you-know-who"

Back when Bush II was making a case for war, I thought about the fact the the mental/emotional cost to those who gave up that time/life to serve would be great. I think most have missed a fact that this war was very unique in that the public was not asked to sacrifice, as in other extended wars. That means that there is less public empathy for the ones who come home, and this is also true of the vets themselves, finding it difficult empathizing with 'normal life'. What drove this point into my soul, was finding my father's ration cards from WWII. All of society was making sacrifices, not just those on the front. Speaking of which, the tax rate for the top 1% averaged over 90% during those years.

The bottom line is that murder is the ultimate act of lack of empathy. So any mechanism which increases it as a whole over society, will decrease incidents of murder.

I'm attaching a picture, whose comments stated that this taken at the end of a ban on candy.

[95racer]

Just a sobering reminder that it is now 16 months since this thread was started by somebody brainwashed into thinking that unrestricted gun ownership - and its corollary, unrestricted killing - was somehow under threat from the Obama administration.

I'd offer a sardonic laugh, but it seems inappropriate in the face of the continuing daily slaughter.

The only ones with true unrestricted ownership are criminals. They don't care about laws anyway. UK knows this well.

[trish]

The only ones with true unrestricted ownership are criminals. They don't care about laws anyway. UK knows this well.

Nonsense.

If there are laws restricting ownership of certain kinds of firearms, then it would be stupid, even for a criminal, to walk down the street flaunting that type of firearm. It's stupid of you to think that's not a restriction a criminal needs to respect.

If there are laws restricting sales of certain types of firearms, then a criminal has to be careful when he buys or sells those types. It's stupid to think that's not a restriction.

If there are laws against stupid people possessing a firearm, they would have to be stupid to not to keep their firearm a secret. That's a restriction they might be too stupid to understand. But you should.

[yodajazz]

The only ones with true unrestricted ownership are criminals. They don't care about laws anyway. UK knows this well.

Actually this argument applies equally to all laws I can think of. So why have any laws at all since criminals will always break them, for a temporary short gain?

I still say the real issue is how many people really need guns for protection, vs the risks of owning a gun, for example someone with children. Most children carefully watch the actions of their parents. Odds are they will know how to access their parents weapons. Even me who is now known as a very calm level headed person, went looking for someone with a loaded gun, who owed me $50, when I was 20 years old. In the case of the Mass school shooting what was the real risk to the family of the shooter vs having a mentally unstable teen, who had been bullied? I do understand that some people are in higher risk professions. My father had a grocery store in a low income neighborhood, he actually did use it self defense.

[95racer]

Having a high risk profession makes ones life more important than someone elses? We all have the right to defend our selves regardless of income level or profession. That was the criteria before shall carry laws were finally made.

My and friends houses while growing up had gun racks complete with guns. Ours were in the basement and I knew where all the ammo was kept. We were taught proper use, handling and maintaining of firearms. I NEVER thought about taking a gun. When I was old enough to hunt or go shooting on my own with friends I always ask permission. Permission was usually granted because Dad knew he could trust me.

I involved my son early with firearms. Starting about five years old he would clean guns with me. I taught him proper use and handling (just like those nasty NRA classes). That took all the curiosity out of it. Progressed to hunter safety, now has a CPL, and attends advance training with me. Now my granddaughter is almost ready to shoot the Red Ryder BB gun that I got him. Once she sees the pink stock version I'll probably have to get one of those.

In my small circle of people that I have met there are two guys who stopped the early stages of some thugs sizing them up. One had already revealed a knife at a ATM and just displaying/ brandishing the gun convinced the punks to retreat. So ya they are used for self defense- A LOT!

Don't go looking for people who owe you money with a gun. That can cause more trouble than it's worth.

Ok, flame away on how bad I am

[trish]

In my small circle of people that I have met there are two guys who stopped the early stages of some thugs sizing them up.

Yeah, right. Dream on.

[kittyKaiti]

Another shooting at Fort Hood.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/shooti...ry?id=23166944

The amusing thing about the anti-gun lobby is that they are trying to take advantage of these Fort Hood shootings to further their agenda on banning civilian gun ownership despite the fact these are military soldiers shooting up bases. The problem here is that a military base is a gun free zone. Soldiers can't have guns on their person unless they are military police. So, like any gun free zone, an armed criminal knows he or she is walking into a crowded building full of unarmed victims who have no means of defense. You would think, at least of all places, that our soldiers would be able to defend themselves from spree shooters. You can thank the Clinton administration for that one.

There is a reason that police departments, gun stores and gun shows don't get shot up by spree killers.

[kittyKaiti]

Having a high risk profession makes ones life more important than someone elses? We all have the right to defend our selves regardless of income level or profession. That was the criteria before shall carry laws were finally made.

My and friends houses while growing up had gun racks complete with guns. Ours were in the basement and I knew where all the ammo was kept. We were taught proper use, handling and maintaining of firearms. I NEVER thought about taking a gun. When I was old enough to hunt or go shooting on my own with friends I always ask permission. Permission was usually granted because Dad knew he could trust me.

I involved my son early with firearms. Starting about five years old he would clean guns with me. I taught him proper use and handling (just like those nasty NRA classes). That took all the curiosity out of it. Progressed to hunter safety, now has a CPL, and attends advance training with me. Now my granddaughter is almost ready to shoot the Red Ryder BB gun that I got him. Once she sees the pink stock version I'll probably have to get one of those.

In my small circle of people that I have met there are two guys who stopped the early stages of some thugs sizing them up. One had already revealed a knife at a ATM and just displaying/ brandishing the gun convinced the punks to retreat. So ya they are used for self defense- A LOT!

Don't go looking for people who owe you money with a gun. That can cause more trouble than it's worth.

Ok, flame away on how bad I am

YOU.... I like you.

[Ben]

Thought Experiment - Trying To Understand The Pro-Gun Perspective

[buttslinger]

In the military, in the police, you have to go through quite a bit of training, probably the most important rule is that you do not ever let your personal feelings come into play when you loosen the strap on your holster.

Carrying a gun around everyday hoping to show some punk a thing or two smells like a personal problem to me.

Buy a BEWARE OF DOG sign and a few chew toys thrown around the yard. 15 bucks.

I've met a thousand guys that needed a severe beating. Lots of them use to get beatings from their Dads on a regular basis, so I figure justice knows more than I do.